Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Pickman's model]

Momentum seem to be focusing on Farron and his lack of passion for the LGBT cause, not going too well with the wider membership.

what does this sentence even mean?

 

[Sprocket.]

what does this sentence even mean?

Life?

 

[Andrew Hertford]

That's the thing though, it's not just the Tories - moderate/right Labour are the problem too with their pursuing of the same, but slightly lighter, neoliberalism. And a rejection of Corbyn now will signal the deathknell of any leftward shift of Labour for years. Labour are already lost to much of their working class heartlands through 20 years of neoliberalism and getting it wrong with their referendum positioning. A shift to the right which will inevitably happen if they oust Corbyn will leave them for dead.

No, it really is a total rejection of Jeremy Corbyn himself. Do you really think that the millions of new or returning voters Labour need to win an election including former Labour voters who defected to ukip are going to start supporting Labour again if Corbyn stays on after the election?

 

[pengaleng]

man is like a fuckin meercat int he

 

[treelover]

I was making the point that most people can't vote for "Corbyn's Labour" instead they have to vote for a Labour candidate with is opposed to him and his views.

plenty of left wing labour members will actually be canvassing, etc for the latter.

 

[Sprocket.]

man is like a fuckin meercat int he

 

[Pickman's model]

Life?

without parole

 

[stethoscope]

No, it really is a total rejection of Jeremy Corbyn himself. Do you really think that the millions of new or returning voters Labour need to win an election including former Labour voters who defected to ukip are going to start supporting Labour again if Corbyn stays on after the election?

Given that most of Labour's new/returning voters and members came because of the 'Corbyn effect' - i.e. younger/first time voters seeing that he could offer something leftward in a major British party (disenchanted by the Lib Dems and previous Labour directions), and he also did bring some returning voters back who had been in the wilderness for many years (not voting at all, voting Green/minor left parties, voting UKIP), I'd say that he's at least stemmed the party from dying quite as rapidly as it would have done under Miliband or other moderate (Cooper, Kendall, Smith, etc) - trying to fight the Tories on austerity less hard and fast and cosying up to the EU whilst having nothing to improve working class conditions.

He's far from ideal, but if Corbyn goes, then someone with similar politics/left outlook will not fill his shoes. I would have thought that was obvious by now. So, they're effectively dead as a party of any meaningful social democratic good or alternative to what the Tories offer.

 

[Pickman's model]

No, it really is a total rejection of Jeremy Corbyn himself. Do you really think that the millions of new or returning voters Labour need to win an election including former Labour voters who defected to ukip are going to start supporting Labour again if Corbyn stays on after the election?

 

[pengaleng]

lol politics

 

[Pickman's model]

lol politics

you have some. ah doesn't.

 

[Southlondon]

Given that most of Labour's new/returning voters came because of the 'Corbyn effect' - i.e. younger/first time voters seeing that he could offer something leftward in a major British party (disenchanted by the Lib Dems and previous Labour directions), and he also did bring some returning voters back who had been in the wilderness for many years (not voting at all, voting Green/minor left parties, voting UKIP), I'd say that he's at least stemmed the party from dying quite as rapidly as it would have done under Miliband or other moderate (Cooper, Kendall, Smith, etc) - trying to fight the Tories on austerity less hard and fast and cosying up to the EU whilst having nothing to improve working class conditions.

He's far from ideal, but if Corbyn goes, then someone with similar politics/left outlook will not fill his shoes. I would have thought that was obvious by now. So, they're effectively dead as a party of any meaningful social democratic good or alternative to what the Tories offer.

Don't forget the parties proposals on minimum wage, 17% increase in carers allowance and universal free school dinners are proving to be popular with the electorate. It's not the policies that are taking the flak its corbyn himself, who to be fair doesn't have any leadership experience to draw on. I'm pretty sure that if the plp left knew they would take the leadership election, they would not have chosen corbyn as their first choice, but that's who we've got. Activists will be arguing for the policies on the doorstep, as it suits the tories to focus on the man not the policies. The choice of voting for a Tory/liberal coalition, which could be the result of tactical voting to libs is one where we know the outcome. Also, corbyns "hold your nose and vote for remain" wil hold more reasonance with the 1/3 of labour voters who voted out, than the likes of Alan Johnson who jumped ship rather than explain his unconditional support for remain to his 2/3 of labour voters who voted to leave.

 

[treelover]

Many of the PLP have said they won't even feature Corbyn on their election material!

 

[DotCommunist]

Many of the PLP have said they won't even feature Corbyn on their election material!

we had a leaflet round for the upcoming locals from labour, week ago. Not even a mention of his name.

well they're on a hiding to nothing in this town anyway...

 

[Southlondon]

Many of the PLP have said they won't even feature Corbyn on their election material!

If that gets labour elected, and kids get free meals, and the lowest paid get a pay rise then I'm ok with that.

 

[Southlondon]

we had a leaflet round for the upcoming locals from labour, week ago. Not even a mention of his name.

well they're on a hiding to nothing in this town anyway...

I remember getting a leaflet when Blair took over headed as " Tony Blairs New Labour Party". Thank god we've moved on from that sychphantical fawning to a dictatorial leader, who's first priorities were to disempower the members and the PLP

 

[killer b]

We haven't moved on from that though - Corbo is only absent because his personal ratings are so awful.

 

[cantsin]

Nothing is happening.

ok, ta, can you shed any more light at all , ie : the cause of the apparent stasis, what needs to happen for the process to re start, or indeed start , etc ?

 

[cantsin]

Don't forget the parties proposals on minimum wage, 17% increase in carers allowance and universal free school dinners are proving to be popular with the electorate. It's not the policies that are taking the flak its corbyn himself, who to be fair doesn't have any leadership experience to draw on. I'm pretty sure that if the plp left knew they would take the leadership election, they would not have chosen corbyn as their first choice, but that's who we've got. Activists will be arguing for the policies on the doorstep, as it suits the tories to focus on the man not the policies. The choice of voting for a Tory/liberal coalition, which could be the result of tactical voting to libs is one where we know the outcome. Also, corbyns "hold your nose and vote for remain" wil hold more reasonance with the 1/3 of labour voters who voted out, than the likes of Alan Johnson who jumped ship rather than explain his unconditional support for remain to his 2/3 of labour voters who voted to leave.

imptnt point, but it needs to be got out there, which it isn't

 

[butchersapron]

The stasis needs to wait until the election. Then loads after.


FFS you joined - you should be doing this not asking others. You telling people how and then working to do it. If it was real.

 

[butchersapron]

Join labour and well i done my bit - finished

 

[killer b]

ok, ta, can you shed any more light at all , ie : the cause of the apparent stasis, what needs to happen for the process to re start, or indeed start , etc ?

Not really - I just don't see any evidence of the level of organisation the left would have to ramp up in order to push this through. All I've seen thus far is it being some vague aspiration - nothing going on to actually make it happen. They can't even get their candidates in position for the by-elections.

 

[cantsin]

Not really - I just don't see any evidence of the level of organisation the left would have to ramp up in order to push this through. All I've seen thus far is it being some vague aspiration - nothing going on to actually make it happen. They can't even get their candidates in position for the by-elections.

the Left (nominally) has half the NEC ( due to exec gerrymandering, or else would be maj of 2 ) , and, numerically, the vast majority of the current membership (and therefore potentially the CLPs ), if they can't make things happen now, gawd knows when they will be able to

 

[hash tag]

I certainly don't want to think beyond the election, but whats the other side of it is certainly in the back of my mind.

 

[butchersapron]

the Left (nominally) has half the NEC ( due to exec gerrymandering, or else would be maj of 2 ) , and, numerically, the vast majority of the current membership (and therefore potentially the CLPs ), if they can't make things happen now, gawd knows when they will be able to

So what have they done?

 

[butchersapron]

Where are they? When they knocking on my door?

 

[Pickman's model]

I certainly don't want to think beyond the election, but whats the other side of it is certainly in the back of my mind.

 

[PursuedByBears]

Charn?

 

[Pickman's model]

Charn?

Just so

 

[butchersapron]

You have to actually do something to make it work.