Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[kebabking]

Are you trying to pretend that you were seriously suggestin Abbot?

GTFO

McDonnell was the name i mentioned - admittedly slightly tongue in cheek, but still vastly better than Corbyn by any measure of competancy. the Abbott reference was in relation to the singular honour of her being the one person in the whole of the Labour party who would be worse than Corbyn.

 

[DotCommunist]

bring in the Skinner

 

[Pickman's model]

bring in the Skinner

The skinner's asleep

 

[TopCat]

Put a decent rhythm on that with a handy riff and it's a number one

The only number one I recollect that was not about love was 99 red balloons. This is an omen.

 

[mikey mikey]

McDonnell was the name i mentioned - admittedly slightly tongue in cheek,

Hence I didn't think it was a suggestion. Personally, I like McDonnel a lot, but I think the press would have gone even harder on him. Now if you're going to avoid giving a genuine proposal for a leader, kindly jog on.

 

[killer b]

I'm not that keen on calling people liars, but you really are a disingenuous little shit aren't you? I regret bothering, and won't do again.

 

[DotCommunist]

The only number one I recollect that was not about love was 99 red balloons. This is an omen.

Mad World the cover from the Donnie Darko soundtrack. Christmas number one for some reason.

 

[cantsin]

Hence I didn't think it was a suggestion. Personally, I like McDonnel a lot, but I think the press would have gone even harder on him. Now if you're going to avoid giving a genuine proposal for a leader, kindly jog on.

backed John McD @ 16/1 - if they get the PLP leadership nom. % down to 5% at conference, I fancy his chances - always sharp, steely, quietly combative, never phased, will be potentially able to connect with working class voters (poss. barring the frothers who can't get over his Repub sympathies )

 

[mikey mikey]

I'm not that keen on calling people liars, but you really are a disingenuous little shit aren't you? I regret bothering, and won't do again.

Go Blair yourself.

 

[kebabking]

Hence I didn't think it was a suggestion. Personally, I like McDonnel a lot, but I think the press would have gone even harder on him. Now if you're going to avoid giving a genuine proposal for a leader, kindly jog on.

i've given you at least half a dozen serious suggestions in our many interactions on this issue, but i'm afraid that the mist decends whenever theres any suggestion of either falability or mortality on the part of the Great One and you become incapable of reading words and just rant off about Blairites.

(and actually, i'm being serious about the 'who could be worse?' thing - Abbott has no redeeming features whatsoever and makes Corbyn look popular, but McDonnell does have redeeming features. he has baggage certainly, and his winning friends and influencing people skills could do with a polish, but no one has ever described him as thick or lazy, he can cope with the rough stuff, and he can think on his feet. he wouldn't be my choice of leader for a number of reasons, but i think he'd certainly be an above averagely competant cabinet-level minister.)

seriously, look at the polling, there is no demographic that thinks Corbyn would be a better PM than May, and only one - BAME - that is more likely to vote Labour than Tory. the 19% lead we have seen before - if rarely - what we've never seen before is the collapse in support for Labour amongst its key working class demographics.

 

[B.I.G]

i've given you at least half a dozen serious suggestions in our many interactions on this issue, but i'm afraid that the mist decends whenever theres any suggestion of either falability or mortality on the part of the Great One and you become incapable of reading words and just rant off about Blairites.

(and actually, i'm being serious about the 'who could be worse?' thing - Abbott has no redeeming features whatsoever and makes Corbyn look popular, but McDonnell does have redeeming features. he has baggage certainly, and his winning friends and influencing people skills could do with a polish, but no one has ever described him as thick or lazy, he can cope with the rough stuff, and he can think on his feet. he wouldn't be my choice of leader for a number of reasons, but i think he'd certainly be an above averagely competant cabinet-level minister.)

seriously, look at the polling, there is no demographic that thinks Corbyn would be a better PM than May, and only one - BAME - that is more likely to vote Labour than Tory. the 19% lead we have seen before - if rarely - what we've never seen before is the collapse in support for Labour amongst its key working class demographics.

Name another alternative or get off urban.

 

[DotCommunist]

the 19% lead we have seen before - if rarely - what we've never seen before is the collapse in support for Labour amongst its key working class demographics.

as with its collapse in scotland these things are not so quick as 'Corbyn the devil tanks labour'. The collapse of the w/c labour vote has been longer in the making than that. If anything corbyns a last gasp. I honestly said 'well thats the last of them then' when a pre-corbyn Skinner was voted off the NEC. Close the book, I thought. The labour left are done. But the continuing shit show, well corbyn and co have not been adroit in the face of blanket hostility and momentum have lacked it a bit but to lay the disintegration at corbyns feet is a little off beam. These are old foundations, same as indyreff stance was the straw that crippled the dromedary for scottish voters who went SNP

 

[Artaxerxes]

as with its collapse in scotland these things are not so quick as 'Corbyn the devil tanks labour'. The collapse of the w/c labour vote has been longer in the making than that. If anything corbyns a last gasp. I honestly said 'well thats the last of them then' when a pre-corbyn Skinner was voted off the NEC. Close the book, I thought. The labour left are done. But the continuing shit show, well corbyn and co have not been adroit in the face of blanket hostility and momentum have lacked it a bit but to lay the disintegration at corbyns feet is a little off beam. These are old foundations, same as indyreff stance was the straw that crippled the dromedary for scottish voters who went SNP

Yeah anyone blaming the collapse of Labour on Corbyn hasn't been paying attention, the "natural base" of Labour have been cut off from them for over 20 years now.

Corbyn was a sink or swim moment, if he was any good we'd be getting somewhere, as it is Labour are fucked.

 

[treelover]

Apparently the meeting today was really nasty, that creep Watts(known to someone on the boards) calling Corbyn a disgrace,

er, did Corbyn launch an illegal war, cut disability benefits, create PFI?

 

[mikey mikey]

i've given you at least half a dozen serious suggestions in our many interactions on this issue,

And yet you didn't just list these "suggestions" 1,2,3,4,5,6.

Let me start, and you finish.

1. Abbott. (but not really)
2. McDonnell. (but not really)
3.
4.
5.
6.

Of you go.

 

[kenny g]

Apparently the meeting today was really nasty, that creep Watts(known to someone on the boards) calling Corbyn a disgrace,

er, did Corbyn launch an illegal war, cut disability benefits, create PFI?

Even for you that is a really crap argument tree fucker.

 

[mikey mikey]

And calling treelover "treefucker" is just genius.

 

[cantsin]

reading the also ran Kev Scholfield dribbling, barely able to contain his glee on Twitter, seems the PLP bullshit was all about Wes Streeting and Ian Austen sticking it to JC ....If Corbyn, McD and the CLPs can't bring utter fucknuggets like this into line, start putting pressure on them via reselection, then the whole things just a waste of time. Time to show some mettle.

 

[kenny g]

Why Blair hasn't been expelled is beyond me.

 

[agricola]

as with its collapse in scotland these things are not so quick as 'Corbyn the devil tanks labour'. The collapse of the w/c labour vote has been longer in the making than that. If anything corbyns a last gasp. I honestly said 'well thats the last of them then' when a pre-corbyn Skinner was voted off the NEC. Close the book, I thought. The labour left are done. But the continuing shit show, well corbyn and co have not been adroit in the face of blanket hostility and momentum have lacked it a bit but to lay the disintegration at corbyns feet is a little off beam. These are old foundations, same as indyreff stance was the straw that crippled the dromedary for scottish voters who went SNP

Indeed. Leaving out what they actually did when in office, lets not forget that they (the Maquis) more than halved the membership, put the party tens of millions of pounds into debt, lost at least 50-55 safe seats, lost two General Elections and managed to lose to Corbyn twice. I am not surprised Corbyn finds it tough going against opponents who aren't as utterly and serially useless as they are.

 

[B.I.G]

And yet you didn't just list these "suggestions" 1,2,3,4,5,6.

Let me start, and you finish.

1. Abbott. (but not really)
2. McDonnell. (but not really)
3.
4.
5.
6.

Of you go.

Anyone except Corbyn

 

[Mr Moose]

Name another alternative or get off urban.

Not this shit again. Unless you have a very close knowledge of potential candidates you don't really know much about them. Most of us here don't. We just know tittle tattle.

But what we do know is that JC has no authority or vision and is thoroughly exposed in the eyes of the public. The gamble that he will transform the party is just that.

I would prefer a unifier, someone who can unite the party under the current policy direction, but also galvanise the imagination. That has to be someone with a decent voting record. Starmer perhaps, but I don't know anything more about him than that, if he is a potential leader, orator, or Blairite clown. So please, our job is not to name the next leader, like we have a clue. But Jeremy should know. Sadly he may even think it's him.

 

[B.I.G]

Not this shit again. Unless you have a very close knowledge of potential candidates you don't really know much about them. Most of us here don't. We just know tittle tattle.

But what we do know is that JC has no authority or vision and is thoroughly exposed in the eyes of the public. The gamble that he will transform the party is just that.

I would prefer a unifier, someone who can unite the party under the current policy direction, but also galvanise the imagination. That has to be someone with a decent voting record. Starmer perhaps, but I don't know anything more about him than that, if he is a potential leader, orator, or Blairite clown. So please, our job is not to name the next leader, like we have a clue. But Jeremy should know. Sadly he may even think it's him.

It was a joke. An urban joke so not that funny, but a joke nonetheless.

 

[DownwardDog]

Name another alternative or get off urban.

Jon Ashworth? Maybe a machine politician with authentically working class teeth is what Labour need right now.

 

[mikey mikey]

Not this shit again. Unless you have a very close knowledge of potential candidates you don't really know much about them. Most of us here don't. We just know tittle tattle.

So the memership is not qualified to choose the leader of the party, only the PLP, is that what you're saying?

So please, our job is not to name the next leader, like we have a clue. But Jeremy should know.

Wow. You do know that the membership elects the leader, right?

Starmer perhaps, but I don't know anything more about him than that,

Well we know how he votes and what he supports so that should be something to go on.

 

[mikey mikey]

Jon Ashworth?

Thank you for having the temerity to suggest somebody.

 

[Pickman's model]

Not this shit again. Unless you have a very close knowledge of potential candidates you don't really know much about them. Most of us here don't. We just know tittle tattle.

But what we do know is that JC has no authority or vision and is thoroughly exposed in the eyes of the public. The gamble that he will transform the party is just that.

I would prefer a unifier, someone who can unite the party under the current policy direction, but also galvanise the imagination. That has to be someone with a decent voting record. Starmer perhaps, but I don't know anything more about him than that, if he is a potential leader, orator, or Blairite clown. So please, our job is not to name the next leader, like we have a clue. But Jeremy should know. Sadly he may even think it's him.

This is urban. Speculation is what we do.

 

[redsquirrel]

Not this shit again. Unless you have a very close knowledge of potential candidates you don't really know much about them. Most of us here don't. We just know tittle tattle.

Right so you don't know anything about any Labour MPs but you definitely think Corbyn should go - and that when he goes Labour will definitely be able to move to the left.

I would prefer a unifier, someone who can unite the party under the current policy direction, but also galvanise the imagination. That has to be someone with a decent voting record. Starmer perhaps, but I don't know anything more about him than that, if he is a potential leader, orator, or Blairite clown. So please, our job is not to name the next leader, like we have a clue. But Jeremy should know. Sadly he may even think it's him.

And this rather shows your ignorance, there is no one who can unify the LP under the current policy direction because the party is hopelessly split. Starmer is not a social democrat, even if he got the leadership you'd see a move back to neo-liberalism, he's probably to the right of Miliband.

You've spent pages telling people how the LP can move back to social democratic policies and now you admit you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. Rather sums up your posts.

 

[Mr Moose]

Right so you don't know anything about any Labour MPs but you definitely think Corbyn should go - and that when he goes Labour will definitely be able to move to the left.

And this rather shows your ignorance, there is no one who can unify the LP under the current policy direction because the party is hopelessly split. Starmer is not a social democrat, even if he got the leadership you'd see a move back to neo-liberalism, he's probably to the right of Miliband.

You've spent pages telling people how the LP can move back to social democratic policies and now you admit you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about. Rather sums up your posts.

I'm pleased if nothing else to make you happy.

 

[ViolentPanda]

Name another alternative or get off urban.

Who the fucking hell do you think you are, besides a cunt?