Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Mr Moose]

You are right though, it doesn't really matter what he asks. The only reason Corbyn really had for raising the U-turn would be to avoid everyone saying he'd missed an open goal. I can understand not being interested in pleasing those cunts.

He could have praised her for it in a clearly sarcastic way and had a laugh. Like 'pleased you are sticking to manifesto commitments, can you reassure the house no others will be broken however temporarily you mean old Tory cow?'

 

[killer b]

He could have. What difference would it have made?

 

[Mr Moose]

He could have. What difference would it have made?

Not much. He might have enjoyed it more?

 

[killer b]

Probably best just ask whatever question he wanted to ask then.

 

[hipipol]

man gives "wimp" new power satus!!!!
Hurrgh!!!!!
Wot ace kit he's wearing
Is that is knob? looks a bit small for a knob really.......

 

[Mr Retro]

Corbyn is like the underdog in a feel-good film that is suddenly going to have a eureka turning point moment and become the hero against the odds.

Except this is real life and he isn't. With him as leader Labour are not only unelectable, but more seriously, are completely ineffective as the opposition. He should realise he gave it his best shot but is not good enough and fuck off now.

 

[Pickman's model]

Corbyn is like the underdog in a feel-good film that is suddenly going to have a eureka turning point moment and become the hero against the odds.

Except this is real life and he isn't. With him as leader Labour are not only unelectable, but more seriously, are completely ineffective as the opposition. He should realise he gave it his best shot but is not good enough and fuck off now.

iirc you're a tory.

 

[killer b]

Absolutely - look how well the centrist social democratic parties are doing in other European countries. Without Corbyn Labour could be reaching the heady heights in the polls the French Socialist Party and Dutch PvdA are enjoying. Things could be so much better.

 

[Mr Retro]

iirc you're a tory.

You remember incorrectly. Unsurprisingly. But feel free to supply some evidence to back up your claim.

You know I'm right in what I say

 

[Pickman's model]

You know I'm right in what I say

If only that were ever the case

 

[redsquirrel]

Absolutely - look how well the centrist social democratic parties are doing in other European countries. Without Corbyn Labour could be reaching the heady heights in the polls the French Socialist Party and Dutch PvdA are enjoying. Things could be so much better.

Bang on.

 

[Mr Retro]

Absolutely - look how well the centrist social democratic parties are doing in other European countries. Without Corbyn Labour could be reaching the heady heights in the polls the French Socialist Party and Dutch PvdA are enjoying. Things could be so much better.

Stating the general demise of the left as an excuse for Corbyns glaringly obvious shortcomings is ignoring the reality of how bad he is. It doesn't answer at all how incompetent his opposition government is.

But in answer to my points, rather than argue why I might be wrong Pickmans comes back with "iitrc you're a Tory". . With supporters like that it's no wonder the Tories are shooting fish in a barrel

I'll leave youse to it

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Remember, people, the Guardian said he did really badly at PMQs that time. Doomed the party he has.

 

[killer b]

I'm not excusing corbyn's shortcomings - just illustrating that more centrist, electable leaders doesn't seem to have helped the fortunes of labours sister parties across the continent. They're just as fucked, if not more so.

 

[yield]

Stating the general demise of the left as an excuse for Corbyns glaringly obvious shortcomings is ignoring the reality of how bad he is. It doesn't answer at all how incompetent his opposition government is.

But in answer to my points, rather than argue why I might be wrong Pickmans comes back with "iitrc you're a Tory". . With supporters like that it's no wonder the Tories are shooting fish in a barrel

I'll leave youse to it

No don't give up. Fight your corner mate.

 

[Sparkle Motion]

Guardian is full of shit, he asked 4 questions on the theme of the budget and self employment and 1 on education.


He did pretty fucking badly at asking those questions but he asked them. Of course Mays response mostly relied on the entire Labour party being as useless as a childs helium balloon to a man whose parachutes failed.

I watched it. And as reported in the media he asked two questions and generally ranted ineffectually the other four times. It might have made him feel good, but a better politician would have made mincemeat of May.

 

[Pickman's model]

Stating the general demise of the left as an excuse for Corbyns glaringly obvious shortcomings is ignoring the reality of how bad he is. It doesn't answer at all how incompetent his opposition government is.

But in answer to my points, rather than argue why I might be wrong Pickmans comes back with "iitrc you're a Tory". . With supporters like that it's no wonder the Tories are shooting fish in a barrel

I'll leave youse to it

1) the opposition is not government
2) I am not a Corbyn or Labour supporter

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Let's be clear here - even by the standards of British parliamentary democracy, PMQs is an absurd and meaningless institution. It makes Black Rod look modern and relevant.

 

[Pickman's model]

You remember incorrectly. Unsurprisingly. But feel free to supply some evidence to back up your claim.

You know I'm right in what I say

My memory was mistaken then. But you've said without qualification that I'm a Corbyn supporter. Let's see your evidence.

 

[belboid]

Let's be clear here - even by the standards of British parliamentary democracy, PMQs is an absurd and meaningless institution. It makes Black Rod look modern and relevant.

But it is one of the occasions which gets widely reported, that people that don't pay that much attention to politics will see. So, even tho it is just theatre, you should do it well.

 

[DownwardDog]

Absolutely - look how well the centrist social democratic parties are doing in other European countries. Without Corbyn Labour could be reaching the heady heights in the polls the French Socialist Party and Dutch PvdA are enjoying. Things could be so much better.

The SDP in Germany have just pulled level with the CSU in the polls.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

But it is one of the occasions which gets widely reported, that people that don't pay that much attention to politics will see. So, even tho it is just theatre, you should do it well.

Literally nobody cares about it though. Parliamentary journos and MPs care for about six hours. It gets written about but at best, only politics junkies read those reports, and they're easily distracted by the next shiny thing.

May has been embarrassingly shit at PMQs for weeks but I don't count that as a problem for her because of the above.

 

[belboid]

Literally nobody cares about it though. Parliamentary journos and MPs care for about six hours. It gets written about but at best, only politics junkies read those reports, and they're easily distracted by the next shiny thing.

May has been embarrassingly shit at PMQs for weeks but I don't count that as a problem for her because of the above.

But for most people it may well be the only time they get to hear Corbyn speaking directly. Their only chance to form an opinion about him. So it is important, even if no one remembers any specifics.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

But for most people it may well be the only time they get to hear Corbyn speaking directly. Their only chance to form an opinion about him. So it is important, even if no one remembers any specifics.

They don't hear anything in PMQs. If they like JC, they'll retweet Twitter videos of him delivering a burn and say "oooh May is doomed"; if they don't they'll retweet Guardian articles saying how he was shit (you can't really retweet a video of somebody not saying much). There are no neutrals who care about PMQs.

 

[killer b]

Haigh was great at pmqs, he had Blair on the ropes every week. No one gave a shit.

 

[The Pale King]

They'll cut it so he looks bad whatever he does - even if his performance were unimpeachable he would have twitter liberals wittering about how he blew it because he didn't wear a tie or whatever. The more voters Corbyn addresses directly, the more voters he will get - he needs to be on the road doing as many public meetings as possible.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Haigh was great at pmqs, he had Blair on the ropes every week. No one gave a shit.

Quite. He was brilliant at the sixth form debate club bollocks, which impressed MPs and journos and nobody else cared about.

"Hague" though

 

[agricola]

Literally nobody cares about it though. Parliamentary journos and MPs care for about six hours. It gets written about but at best, only politics junkies read those reports, and they're easily distracted by the next shiny thing.

May has been embarrassingly shit at PMQs for weeks but I don't count that as a problem for her because of the above.

Ironically Corbyn may well end up being the one leader of the opposition who actually did get rid of a PM because of PMQs.

 

[belboid]

They don't hear anything in PMQs. If they like JC, they'll retweet Twitter videos of him delivering a burn and say "oooh May is doomed"; if they don't they'll retweet Guardian articles saying how he was shit (you can't really retweet a video of somebody not saying much). There are no neutrals who care about PMQs.

It's not that those neutrals care about it, it's the fact that they see it. Even if you have absolutely no interest in politics, it's hard to avoid knowing something about her and getting a general impression of her opinions and abilities. You can't say the same about Corbyn. And pmq's is one of the simplest ways to get your view over, a quick snap that the media can use (and cast aside), from which the mostly disinterested can get an impression of the man.

 

[oryx]

It might have made him feel good, but a better politician would have made mincemeat of May.

Let's be clear here - even by the standards of British parliamentary democracy, PMQs is an absurd and meaningless institution. It makes Black Rod look modern and relevant.

I like Corbyn but not unqualifiedly.

I think one of the whole points of Corbyn's leadership is to move from the public school debating society, bully boy, point scoring milieu of the current parliamentary system and I commend him for that.

I watched the (very interesting) BBC series on the House of Lords recently and it is stunning just how steeped in unquestioned tradition the whole parliamentary system is. The 'Westminster bubble' thing goes beyond the careerist MPs and ambitious SPADs thing satirised in The Thick Of It.

I don't agree with Brexit but as most people on here are aware, a large part of the referendum result was driven by disenfranchisement and disillusionment, and it is not surprising considering how far removed the Houses of Parliament are from real life.

With his questions from real people and raising of issues that affect ordinary people, Corbyn is at least making an attempt to address this.

We could potentially have a Labour leader barking back at Theresa May, continuing the tradition, but it's only perpetuating the 'adult' extension of the public school debating society, often up its own arse and far removed from ordinary people's concerns.