Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[wheelie_bin]

No idea, your guess is as good as mine. Possibly better.

Looks like this has more detail: Jezza's Bezzas: Labour's New Members

With the help of YouGov and as part of an ESRC-funded project on UK party membership in the twenty-first century, we (Professor Tim Bale and Dr Monica Poletti (Queen Mary University of London) and Professor Paul Webb (University of Sussex)) have conducted a new survey of Labour’s new members, fielded just after the May 2016 local, devolved and mayoral elections.

We have surveyed 2,026 members and registered supporters of the Labour Party who joined it after the May 2015 general election.

 

[Dan U]

can someone explain something to me re deselction - these 100+ MP's were voted for by wider public, not just Corbyn backers.

If they get deselected does there need to be a byelection? If so, what are the chances of returning a Labour MP in terms of peoples majorities and if not a byelection, will wider public just think what the fuck and demand one?

eta - or have i fundamentally misunderstood - they would be deselected ahead of a snap election and replaced with new prospective candidates?

 

[bi0boy]

She says she's still there for victims of abuse. WHAT ABOUT THIS ABUSE OF JEREMY AND THE MANDATE HE HAS FROM THE MEMBERS? Fuck's sake.

The sexual abuse of children is such a good analogy for parliamentary party politics.

 

[Orang Utan]

Corbyn should appoint this recently unemployed aide to help him bounce back.

 

[mk12]

I know nobody trusts polls anymore, but here goes:

As Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn should...
Resign: 49%
Not resign: 30%
(via YouGov / 26 - 27 Jun)

 

[danny la rouge]

Lord Foulkes says something interesting:

"Labour's Lord Foulkes has told BBC Scotland no Scottish politicians will fill the shadow Scottish secretary position while Jeremy Corbyn is leader."

And then something about the character of the PLP: "Mr Corbyn would struggle to find "decent people" to fill shadow cabinet posts".

Indeed. An unnervingly frank self-appraisal.

Jeremy Corbyn warned over shadow Scottish secretary post - BBC News

 

[treelover]

I think action needs to taken on certain protests about this 'branding'

 

[butchersapron]

can someone explain something to me re deselction - these 100+ MP's were voted for by wider public, not just Corbyn backers.

If they get deselected does there need to be a byelection? If so, what are the chances of returning a Labour MP in terms of peoples majorities and if not a byelection, will wider public just think what the fuck and demand one?

eta - or have i fundamentally misunderstood - they would be deselected ahead of a snap election and replaced with new prospective candidates?

Deselection means not being selected as a labour candidate next time. And it's the labour name that wins seats.

 

[killer b]

can someone explain something to me re deselction - these 100+ MP's were voted for by wider public, not just Corbyn backers.

If they get deselected does there need to be a byelection? If so, what are the chances of returning a Labour MP in terms of peoples majorities and if not a byelection, will wider public just think what the fuck and demand one?

eta - or have i fundamentally misunderstood - they would be deselected ahead of a snap election and replaced with new prospective candidates?

There isn't any formal mechanism to deselect them until the run up to the next expected general election (ie in about 3 years) - if there's a snap election then in theory they should be automatically reselected. I think explusion from the party or them leaving would be the most obvious other way to go against this, and I guess an MP would struggle to stand with legitimacy if there was a no confidence motion from their CLP in the meantime.

 

[butchersapron]

I think action needs to taken on certain protest about this 'branding'

Oh just fuck off.

 

[Dan U]

Deselection means not being selected as a labour candidate next time. And it's the labour name that wins seats.

ok cheers, that clears my confusion.

 

[Pickman's model]

I think action needs to taken on certain protest about this 'branding'

No surprise you object to the word 'socialist'

 

[wheelie_bin]

The sexual abuse of children is such a good analogy for parliamentary party politics.

Ah come on, you know what I meant. There's a lot going on.

 

[ska invita]

I know nobody trusts polls anymore, but here goes:

As Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn should...
Resign: 49%
Not resign: 30%
(via YouGov / 26 - 27 Jun)

i reckon thats becasue most people will think - fuck, if 80% of workmates told me to resign id resign - how on earth can he carry on?... rather than necessarily thinking he should resign over his qualities

 

[Dan U]

I guess an MP would struggle to stand with legitimacy if there was a no confidence motion from their CLP in the meantime.

it would be impossible you would think

 

[treelover]

Oh just fuck off.

No, you do one, I have seen comments similar to mine from you and others, Progress are making hay with it, and lots of people are asking why is it allowed?, this isn't your board by the way, sorry to sully it with less celebral postings than yours.

 

[killer b]

it would be impossible you would think

yep. politically, if not legally.

 

[a_chap]

It's rubbish. Better off watching Bill Brand.



top right for next.

I have that on DVD. It's really good.

er.... now it's back to your normal programming.

 

[butchersapron]

It doesn't matter what polls say. It's like having a poll on a strike. Nice if you win, of no practical import.

 

[Pickman's model]

No, you do one, I have seen comments similar to mine from you and others, Progress are making hay with it, and lots of people are asking why is it allowed?, this isn't your board by the way, sorry to sully it with less cerebal postings than yours.

Yes how dare they turn up to public demonstrations

 

[wheelie_bin]

I wonder if Corbyn actually needs the brand name and the infrastructure. The Labour party is tarnished, Momentum could work for the election, it sounds fresh and hopeful at a time when people are crying out for change. The issue in the meantime is that he loses the opposition bench, but frankly he'll lose it on numbers if the blairites set up their own party anyway.

 

[kebabking]

can someone explain something to me re deselction - these 100+ MP's were voted for by wider public, not just Corbyn backers.

If they get deselected does there need to be a byelection? If so, what are the chances of returning a Labour MP in terms of peoples majorities and if not a byelection, will wider public just think what the fuck and demand one?

eta - or have i fundamentally misunderstood - they would be deselected ahead of a snap election and replaced with new prospective candidates?

Deselection has no impact on the MP, the MP is elected for the whole parliament - in effect, the relationship between the MP and whatever political party they chose to affiliate with is purely a private matter.

Having a party affiliation helps because it makes operating the constituency office easier, as well as running for relection, but if an MP has a decent following in the constituency then it doesn't make much difference.

Going for the nuclear option would carry the danger of there being 320 Tory MP's, 60 SNP MP's, 8 libdems, 172 independents, and 40 Labour - Corbyn could talk about the party all he liked, but it would look ridiculous, and the electorate wouldn't be impressed.

 

[danny la rouge]

I think action needs to taken on certain protests about this 'branding'

Really on all protests.

If you don't want to be taken for a member of a creepy rape apologist cult: don't take the placard or rip off the branding.

 

[mk12]

I wonder if Corbyn actually needs the brand name and the infrastructure. The Labour party is tarnished, Momentum could work for the election, it sounds fresh and hopeful at a time when people are crying out for change. The issue in the meantime is that he loses the opposition bench, but frankly he'll lose it on numbers if the blairites set up their own party anyway.

Sorry, but that's a load of rubbish.

 

[a_chap]

What could this New Labour party be called?

"New Labour+"

No, how about "New Labour Double Plus"?

 

[killer b]

No, you do one, I have seen comments similar to mine from you and others, Progress are making hay with it, and lots of people are asking why is it allowed?, this isn't your board by the way, sorry to sully it with less celebral postings than yours.

can we talk about what's happening today instead of what happened yesterday? I know the SWP aren't involved today so it's probably not very interesting to you, but y'know.

 

[mk12]

Really on all protests.

If you don't want to be taken for a member of a creepy rape apologist cult: don't take the placard or rip off the branding.

I see the SWP had placards at the anti-Brexit protests the other day despite supporting Brexit.

 

[treelover]

Really on all protests.

If you don't want to be taken for a member of a creepy rape apologist cult: don't take the placard or rip off the branding.

Most people won't know anything about Comrade Delta, etc.

 

[treelover]

can we talk about what's happening today instead of what happened yesterday? I know the SWP aren't involved today so it's probably not very interesting to you, but y'know.

They will do the same in Leeds tonight, I posted one image, thats all, but will leave it there.

 

[danny la rouge]

Most people won't know anything about Comrade Delta, etc.

Sadly true.