Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[cantsin]

mini shitstorm bewing on twitter re: allegedly xenophobic video re: rail privatisation from TSSA - Clive Lewis / Momentum getting a lot of stick ( for supporting it / RTing etc ) , with the likes of Libcom getting stuck in - pretty crass video tbf, seems to say little about capital and bosses, lots about 'Europeans', and feels like some folk may be approaching the 'get the UKIP voters back' brief a bit hamfistedly.

 

[19force8]

mini shitstorm bewing on twitter re: allegedly xenophobic video re: rail privatisation from TSSA - Clive Lewis / Momentum getting a lot of stick ( for supporting it / RTing etc ) , with the likes of Libcom getting stuck in - pretty crass video tbf, seems to say little about capital and bosses, lots about 'Europeans', and feels like some folk may be approaching the 'get the UKIP voters back' brief a bit hamfistedly.

Do I hear the gentle sound of karma slapping TSSA's general secretary for the disgusting role he played in Labour's anti-semitism row?

 

[Mr Moose]

He hasn't been leader for very long, and much of that time I guess he has been occupied with other things outside his control.

Lots of leaders have to make headway against the odds. Being hated and slated didn't stop Farage. Being ridiculed doesn't stop Boris. Sure they have their backers, but so does Labour.

It doesn't really matter if in the end it's unfair, Corbyn has to make progress or go.

 

[rutabowa]

Lots of leaders have to make headway against the odds. Being hated and slated didn't stop Farage. Being ridiculed doesn't stop Boris. Sure they have their backers, but so does Labour.

It doesn't really matter if in the end it's unfair, Corbyn has to make progress or go.

I agree with all of this yes... it doesn't contradict what I said.

 

[free spirit]

mini shitstorm bewing on twitter re: allegedly xenophobic video re: rail privatisation from TSSA - Clive Lewis / Momentum getting a lot of stick ( for supporting it / RTing etc ) , with the likes of Libcom getting stuck in - pretty crass video tbf, seems to say little about capital and bosses, lots about 'Europeans', and feels like some folk may be approaching the 'get the UKIP voters back' brief a bit hamfistedly.

Essentially the point being made to me is... If the tories are as economically competent as they'd like us to believe why are they so sure they'd be so shit at actually being in charge of these big companies when their European counterparts have no problem in fulfilling that role both in their country and in ours.

Seems a valid line of attack to me, but then I've been using it for years so maybe I'm biased.

 

[hash tag]

Lots of leaders have to make headway against the odds. Being hated and slated didn't stop Farage. Being ridiculed doesn't stop Boris. Sure they have their backers, but so does Labour.

It doesn't really matter if in the end it's unfair, Corbyn has to make progress or go.

Yes, but look at the personalities of farage and Johnston as opposed to that of corbyn. That's all part of the issue.

 

[Mr Moose]

According to the Standard's gossipy column Corbyn is about to embark upon a Trump inspired new media strategy, code named 'Let Corbyn be Corbyn'. The basis will be negative headlines, if that's how it goes, are better than none.

Probably a load of old tosh, but hope it's true. Corbyn might as well shoot from the hip, he won't gain ground by politely playing the game. Either he may succeed or it will be hilarious. Win win.

 

[Reiabuzz]

Corbyn's on GMB tomorrow morning against Piers Morgan. Should be fun.

 

[butchersapron]

Corbyn's on GMB tomorrow morning against Piers Morgan. Should be fun.

Oh yeah. Fun.
Fun.

Fun.

 

[ferrelhadley]

Jeremy Corbyn: UK can be better off out of the EU

Surely the genius of Seamus Milne at work.

 

[butchersapron]

What are you?

 

[treelover]

Loads of LP members/voters saying they will leave labour/vote/join lib dem, etc,

Corbyn had no choice, unless he accepted Brexit, labour would be decimated in many working class areas.

 

[19force8]

Loads of LP members/voters saying they will leave labour/vote/join lib dem, etc,

Corbyn had no choice, unless he accepted Brexit, labour would be decimated in many working class areas.

Of course he has a choice, he could put free movement at the heart of Labour's position on Brexit, but no, he wants more limits on immigration. Next they'll be re-issuing this:



Jesus fucking tap dancing christ!

I swear I'm on the verge of eating my bloody membership card.

 

[billy_bob]

I swear I'm on the verge of eating my bloody membership card.

I think we've long since reached the 'labour party membership card will eat itself' stage.

 

[redsquirrel]

Of course he has a choice, he could put free movement at the heart of Labour's position on Brexit, but no, he wants more limits on immigration.

What "free movement"? There's no such thing.

 

[butchersapron]

Of course he has a choice, he could put free movement at the heart of Labour's position on Brexit, but no, he wants more limits on immigration. Next they'll be re-issuing this:

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Jesus fucking tap dancing christ!

I swear I'm on the verge of eating my bloody membership card.

Free movement? For Indians? And Jamaicans? Because the eu is set up to deny precisely that. What you call free movement is is fortress Europe, a very highly policed highly bordered entity. To support free movement would be to attack this eu.

 

[19force8]

Free movement? For Indians? And Jamaicans? Because the eu is set up to deny precisely that. What you call free movement is is fortress Europe, a very highly policed highly bordered entity. To support free movement would be to attack this eu.

So Jeremy's decision to back further immigration controls is irrelevant because the alternative isn't removal of all immigration controls. Ultra left twattery!

 

[butchersapron]

So Jeremy's decision to back further immigration controls is irrelevant because the alternative isn't removal of all immigration controls. Ultra left twattery!

I beg your pardon? Pointing out that your rhetorical use of the freedom of movement trope - and that's all it is - involves an attack on real freedom of movement and a defence of EU sanctioned fortress Europe and highly exclusionary and racialised border controls is ultra left twattery?

And you're going to leave the party that you stayed a member of when it proclaimed British jobs for British workers over this?

There is certainly twattery afoot here.

 

[19force8]

I beg your pardon? Pointing out that your rhetorical use of the freedom of movement trope - and that's all it is - involves an attack on real freedom of movement and a defence of EU sanctioned fortress Europe and highly exclusionary and racialised border controls is ultra left twattery?

So do you really think that increased immigration controls is irrelevant because it's white people who are being excluded?

 

[butchersapron]

Ok, want to play that game. You think the highly racialised set of aggressive eu border controls - actual camps - are irrelevant because the people in them and subject to them are black?

Your parroting of the term freedom of movement hides this. It's a meaningless platitude being this function and the one of making you feel and sound like an internationalist whilst supporting racialised borders. The labour party sounds like just the right place for you.

 

[19force8]

Yep, let's have more immigration controls then. Because that's in no way relevant to the appalling levels of racism both in the UK and the EU.

 

[butchersapron]

Yep, let's have more immigration controls then. Because that's in no way relevant to the appalling levels of racism both in the UK and the EU.

Have you any sort of response to what I've written? Anything?

 

[butchersapron]

Yep, let's have more immigration controls then. Because that's in no way relevant to the appalling levels of racism both in the UK and the EU.

Border controls are bad. Therefore I support a body whose policy is of aggressive racialised border controls. In the name of freedom of movement.

 

[19force8]

If it's possible for you to infer that I support racialised borders from my opposition to increased immigration controls then there is very little point.

So, to be clear I am in favour of open borders and the free movement of people. I am aware that we have immigration controls and I am opposed to them being further tightened.

Your little performance gave the impression that because we don't have open borders any further increase in immigration controls wasn't worth getting bothered about.

Border controls are bad. Therefore I support a body whose policy is of aggressive racialised border controls. In the name of freedom of movement.

I never once said I supported the EU nor its border controls.

 

[B.I.G]

If it's possible for you to infer that I support racialised borders from my opposition to increased immigration controls then there is very little point.

So, to be clear I am in favour of open borders and the free movement of people. I am aware that we have immigration controls and I am opposed to them being further tightened.

Your little performance gave the impression that because we don't have open borders any further increase in immigration controls wasn't worth getting bothered about.


I never once said I supported the EU nor its border controls.

Ouch!

 

[butchersapron]

You said that you wanted to play this game? Do you not want to anymore?

Don't you see that by framing your position in terms of EU freedom of movement you necessarily hide the lack of freedom of movement this entails? Have you no other way of putting this? And the performance here is this glib repition of this freedom of movement equals anti racist internationalism. Look at me being internationalist.

 

[19force8]

You said that you wanted to play this game? Do you not want to anymore?

Don't you see that by framing your position in terms of EU freedom of movement you necessarily hide the lack of freedom of movement this entails? Have you no other way of putting this? And the performance here is this glib repition of this freedom of movement equals anti racist internationalism. Look at me being internationalist.

Really?

So when I say I am in favour of open borders and the free movement of people what I'm actually doing is hiding the lack of freedom of movement in the EU?

You're right. You've won the pissing competition. I just can't compete.

 

[butchersapron]

Really?

So when I say I am in favour of open borders and the free movement of people what I'm actually doing is hiding the lack of freedom of movement in the EU?

You're right. You've won the pissing competition. I just can't compete.

When you pimp the eu approved 'freedom of movement' as your attack point then yes. This pathetic liberal fetish is only designed to do this. Use it and and you're doing it's wortk for it.

let's have three other freedoms! Freedoms are good! You're not against freedom are you? No, don't look at this but look at and defend Freedom!

 

[belboid]

When you pimp the eu approved 'freedom of movement' as your attack point then yes. This pathetic liberal fetish is only designed to do this. Use it and and you're doing it's wortk for it.

let's have three other freedoms! Freedoms are good! You're not against freedom are you? No, don't look at this but look at and defend Freedom!

fucks sake butchers, even by your standards that's a crock of horseshit.

 

[19force8]

When you pimp the eu approved 'freedom of movement' as your attack point then yes. This pathetic liberal fetish is only designed to do this. Use it and and you're doing it's wortk for it.

let's have three other freedoms! Freedoms are good! You're not against freedom are you? No, don't look at this but look at and defend Freedom!

You won the game already. No need to rub it in.