Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Idris2002]

It doesn't mean anything and can be ignored. According to the paper last friday. Like the referendum though, it's going to be politically binding. ignoring it will have a cost.

But will it be as politically binding as the referendum? And who will bear the cost, in the end?

 

[butchersapron]

But will it be as politically binding as the referendum? And who will bear the cost, in the end?

Them's the questions idris.

 

[ska invita]

The other thing that happened is last night Angela Eagle broke down on TV at having to 'deselect' corbyn - but shes cheered up today and put herself forward to stand against him

 

[DaveCinzano]

I've been teaching all morning - can anyone do me a short up date of where we are since this morning please?

 

[Ole]

Once the vote of no confidence passes with likely a clear majority, Corbyn will call another leadership election, and win. They'll have thrown the kitchen sink at him and he'll be still standing. A split is looking rather likely I think.

 

[DaveCinzano]

A split is looking rather likely I think.

If they don't fancy the expense of dining à la carte, they can always chow down on the set menu

 

[ViolentPanda]

So as usual on the Urban politics board the dissenting voices have been shouted down . Meanwhile out in the rest of the country Corbyn is still regarded as an ineffective idealist.

Whether he's an ineffective idealist or not is irrelevant to the current situation. What is relevant, is whether Corbyn is a *better proposition as Labour leader than any of the Labour right soi-disant "moderates" who fancy their chances.
None of the people I've talked to about him since Friday think he is a good Labour leader. And these are people who hate the Tories and everything they do.

**By which I mean "a better proposition for the people of Britain under Parliamentary Democracy", not "a better proposition for about 100 knobshines in the PLP".

You'd probably dismiss their views, calling them traitors or lickspittles. But they are the people Labour needs to connect with again if it is going to get back into power and prevent the Tories causing more shite.

I think you're naive, with your claims about "they are the people". "The people" in this case covers a fairly broad swathe of the electorate, and if your friends are the kind of people who can be won over by Progress soft-soap, then they aren't representative of that "fairly broad swathe of the electorate" I mentioned.

I'm not a Corbynista, but outwith an entirely-new political system, he's probably the best hope for those members of the British electorate who want to put some kind of brake on the effects of capitalism.

 

[ska invita]

I think Corbyn would do okay in a GE campaign with his own -manifesto - I think hed get right in the swing of it and would get some okay coverage

 

[ViolentPanda]

I'm surprised that gobshite Blair hasn't piped up yet. The cunt.

I suspect that even the Progress dumbfucks in the PLP have cottoned on to the fact that if Blair favours them, the public won't.

 

[ska invita]

I suspect that even the Progress dumbfucks in the PLP have cottoned on to the fact that if Blair favours them, the public won't.

That wont stop him speaking

 

[brogdale]

That wont stop him speaking

In his Sunday Brillo interview he made extravagant and exaggerated play of how could not possibly taken any view on the matter of leadership of the LP, and nor would it be right.....blah

 

[ViolentPanda]

This is it really. Even if you buy the mainstream narrative that this is all about needing a charismatic leader, the Blairites just don't have one.

They have the opposite, all their top people are either blatant dummies like Benn, rampaging egoists like Kendall or blander than bland - eg Cooper. None of them looks remotely like a Second Coming of St Tony.

Which is why so many of the mug cunts are touting Jarvis as some kind of nu-Tony - because while he's become part of the machine, he's not from the machine, so his neoliberalism-favouring Blairite bollocks can be presented as freshly-minted political insight from a pragmatic "military hero", not as a re-tread of tired "third way" wank.

 

[ViolentPanda]

That wont stop him speaking

It'll stop them asking him to speak for them, though. Gotta hurt a bit, not being able to seek endorsement from your deity.

 

[Wilf]

S

Work in a shop and had a fair few people today catching a bit of news on the radio and saying they support Corbyn. Not members, just disgusted by what's going on.

No one, as of yet, has told me about the unifying powers of Angela Eagle.

She weeps to conquer.

 

[kropotkin]

It doesn't mean anything and can be ignored. According to the paper last friday. Like the referendum though, it's going to be politically binding. ignoring it will have a cost.

Aye, but psychologically he draws his legitimacy from the LP membership rather than the PLP members. He isn't really in much of a different place politically than he has been in since his election to leadership- the only change is that the coup has now started instead of being in the future. The mass rally of normals/LP members supporting him outside parliament (a fairly incredible thing to happen really) will have just bolstered his sense of legitimacy in the face of the Progress plotters.

 

[butchersapron]

Aye, but psychologically he draws his legitimacy from the LP membership rather than the PLP members. He isn't really in much of a different place politically than he has been in since his election to leadership- the only change is that the coup has now started instead of being in the future. The mass rally of normals/LP members supporting him outside parliament (a fairly incredible thing to happen really) will have just bolstered his sense of legitimacy in the face of the Progress plotters.

That's what i meant really. That an elite level restricted discussion and outcome doesn't reflect or bind what the membership/electorate have to accept as legitimate.

 

[ViolentPanda]

It's not about some sort of 'lack of charisma' or 'not being able to work with him' or 'him not being strong leadership material', it's about the battle at the core of the Labour party over its ideology and positioning. And, it won't go leftwards.

For the Progressites, it's also about the brand, and the money that comes with the brand.

The venal, dog-fucking shitcunts.

 

[phildwyer]

A split is looking rather likely I think.

Yes but that's because you're a twat.

 

[rubbershoes]

Whether he's an ineffective idealist or not is irrelevant to the current situation. What is relevant, is whether Corbyn is a *better proposition as Labour leader than any of the Labour right soi-disant "moderates" who fancy their chances.
None of the people I've talked to about him since Friday think he is a good Labour leader. And these are people who hate the Tories and everything they do.

**By which I mean "a better proposition for the people of Britain under Parliamentary Democracy", not "a better proposition for about 100 knobshines in the PLP".



I think you're naive, with your claims about "they are the people". "The people" in this case covers a fairly broad swathe of the electorate, and if your friends are the kind of people who can be won over by Progress soft-soap, then they aren't representative of that "fairly broad swathe of the electorate" I mentioned.

I'm not a Corbynista, but outwith an entirely-new political system, he's probably the best hope for those members of the British electorate who want to put some kind of brake on the effects of capitalism.

I have no idea what progress is and I doubt that any off the people I've been speaking to do either. We hate the Tories but can't muster any emthusiasm for Corbyn.

Maybe that makes me naive. So be it

 

[chilango]

Is the full series online anywhere?

 

[phildwyer]

But will it be as politically binding as the referendum?

The referendum isn't legally binding at all, only morally so. This will be neither.

And who will bear the cost, in the end?

The knaves and fools who have organized the ballot.

 

[SpookyFrank]

The venal, dog-fucking shitcunts.

Couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[killer b]

I have no idea what progress is and I doubt that any off the people I've been speaking to do either. We hate the Tories but can't muster any emthusiasm for Corbyn.

Maybe that makes me naive. So be it

Progress is the blairite grouping within the labour party

 

[DaveCinzano]

Is the full series online anywhere?

On YouTube but you'll need to mask your country if you're in the UK with something like TunnelBear to access it

 

[brogdale]

I have no idea what progress is and I doubt that any off the people I've been speaking to do either. We hate the Tories but can't muster any emthusiasm for Corbyn.

Maybe that makes me naive. So be it

The man? The 'personality', image? His ideology or proposed policy positions?

 

[butchersapron]

I have no idea what progress is and I doubt that any off the people I've been speaking to do either. We hate the Tories but can't muster any emthusiasm for Corbyn.

Maybe that makes me naive. So be it

You ain't exactly been busy supporting previous leaders have you?

 

[Orang Utan]

On YouTube but you'll need to mask your country if you're in the UK with something like TunnelBear to access it

Also All4

 

[two sheds]

I think Corbyn ... would get some okay coverage

 

[chilango]

Also All4

Just found Eps 1 and 3 there...

 

[butchersapron]

It's rubbish. Better off watching Bill Brand.



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