Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[butchersapron]

Whoever the that Wells was, he certainly made a lsting impression on your apron, Mr. butcher.

Anyway, dunno who he is, so you can relax and maybe have a lie down.

Or was that more satire?

Right, so back to your plagiarised post and it's claims

 

[Smokeandsteam]

What is so great about him visiting a foodbank when a Labour council have just announced a 10million cut to homeless and DV services?

Presume this is Birmingham you are referring to?

Over 33% percent of jobs cut, over £1/2 Billion in cuts since 2010, care services on their Arsenal and not a word from
Jeremy or John about why a Labour council is blankly doing the bidding of the Tories. In fact the only word from them has been to insist labour councils enact the cuts. Still, I'm sure the local food banks appreciate the marrow donation.

 

[purenarcotic]

Presume this is Birmingham you are referring to?

Over 33% percent of jobs cut, over £1/2 Billion in cuts since 2010, care services on their Arsenal and not a word from
Jeremy or John about why a Labour council is blankly doing the bidding of the Tories. In fact the only word from them has been to insist labour councils enact the cuts. Still, I'm sure the local food banks appreciate the marrow donation.

Yup, Birmingham. Fucking impotent cunts.

 

[mikey mikey]

On Thursday 10th December, British Labour Party leader Jeremy Corbyn attended a dinner organised by the Stop the War Coalition (StWC). Corbyn has long been associated with StWC, and until very recently was it’s chairman.

There was a small protest outside the building where the dinner was held, attended by, among others, the human rights campaigner Peter Tatchell, and James Bloodworth, who supports the U.S. bombing of Iraq.

(Tatchell, centre; Bloodworth, right)

Tatchell himself claims to be against all bombing in Syria. As here:

However, for over two years, Tatchell was calling for a ‘no-fly zone’ and ‘safe havens’ to be implemented in Syria.

Here he is at a StWC demo in 2013, calling for exactly that:

Tatchell has recently denied that the demo he attended outside of the StWC dinner called for bombing, and accused the people who alleged this of lying. As here:

However, photos from the demo appear to show that some people were indeed holding placards supportive of airstrikes / bombing. A Sky News report showed these scenes:

The strange advocacy of pro-war anti-war activist Peter Tatchell

 

[butchersapron]

Why have you posted this odd piece again wells?

 

[butchersapron]

Go back to your original plagiarism. Start there.

 

[DotCommunist]

May could turn out to be utterly cack-handed, the economy could tank

good job niether of those things are extant eh

 

[Tom A]

No it's not.

Well, the thread is called "Jeremy Corbyn's time is up". That would imply that it is. Anyway, moving swiftly on...

What is so great about him visiting a foodbank when a Labour council have just announced a 10million cut to homeless and DV services?

Presume this is Birmingham you are referring to?

Over 33% percent of jobs cut, over £1/2 Billion in cuts since 2010, care services on their Arsenal and not a word from
Jeremy or John about why a Labour council is blankly doing the bidding of the Tories. In fact the only word from them has been to insist labour councils enact the cuts. Still, I'm sure the local food banks appreciate the marrow donation.

You would think, after just over a year at the helm, PLP shenanigans notwithstanding that Corbyn and company would be coming out fighting and challenging the Tory policy on this, rather than go on about issues that are pet subjects of the left milleu but aren't overly relevant to the concerns of the electorate (you know, those people who aren't given you a glowing reference in those pesky opinion polls). Going on an anti-Trident rally instead of trying to push the case for your party's line on the matter of Brexit also did not help. An even more radical step would be to try and utilise the party apparatus (bureaucratic issues aside) to build support networks for those suffering the burnt of Tory austerity, building support and shaming the government at the same time - and no, I know that this may not be practical in the land of realpolitik, but the same is true of Tatchell's proposed airdrops into Aleppo.

By the way, Manchester council are every bit as bad as Birmingham if not more in the "sheepishly carrying out Tory austerity" stakes.

 

[treelover]

Sheffield City Region trial to support residents with long-term health conditions or disabilities
Published 1st November 2016 at 9:59am

Following a Government announcement on 31 October 2016, Sheffield City Region will be working with local partners to better understand how best to support people with health conditions and disabilities to return to or stay in work. Local Job Centre Plus and GP surgeries in Sheffield City Region will soon begin a trial which will offer innovative new support services to residents with long-term health conditions or disabilities.

Sheffield City Region has been selected, alongside the West Midlands, to design a pioneering trial from the Government’s Work and Health Innovation Fund. The trials will focus on mental health and musculoskeletal conditions, the two conditions most commonly reported by those out of work.

NHS England, the Department of Health (DH) and the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) will be working with Sheffield City Region and the West Midlands Combined Authority to develop the trials that will test new ways of supporting people as they enter, re-enter and stay in work.

Sir Steve Houghton, Chair of the Sheffield City Region Combined Authority, said: “Sheffield City Region Combined Authority and LEP are focused on working in partnership to grow businesses and create better jobs and better lives for local people. We want to grow our economy in a way which is inclusive and responsible and we are working with many local partners to achieve our ambitious goals. This pioneering and innovative trial will see local employment and health services working more closely together to explore ways to help prevent long-term sickness and help people to return to work.”

Michael Macdonnell, NHS England’s Director of Strategy, said: “There are currently 4.8 million people of working age with a disability or long term condition who are out of work. We know that the right work can be good for health and wellbeing and support people to live happier and healthier lives, but first we need to understand how best to support people with health conditions and disabilities to return to or stay in work. We are very pleased to be working with Sheffield City Region and the West Midlands Combined Authority to help build this evidence and share what works with other local systems.”

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Sheffield City Region trial to support residents with long-term health conditions or disabilities - Sheffield City Region

By the way, Manchester council are every bit as bad as Birmingham if not more in the "sheepishly carrying out Tory austerity" stakes.

Birmingham and Sheffield City Regions(along with NHS) have just agreed to implement the Tories new regionalised punitive and invasive welfare reforms. Not sure if local councils voted on it, FOI is needed.

 

[Tom A]

Birmingham and Sheffield City Regions(along with NHS) have just agreed to implement the Tories new regionalised punitive and invasive welfare reforms. Not sure if local councils voted on it, FOI is needed.

This is what people in Greater Manchester were worried about for three years when their council leaders started acting very friendly towards Osborne, that devolution would mean passing on the austerity buck to devolved authorities which would do the Tories' dirty work.

 

[treelover]

Red Tory Philip Blond gave the game away last year when he said that devolution of NHS funding to GMR would allow those with MH problems to be helped by offering them Workfare.

I wonder what Burnham;s view on that will be.

 

[treelover]

This is what people in Greater Manchester were worried about for three years when their council leaders started acting very friendly towards Osborne, that devolution would mean passing on the austerity buck to devolved authorities which would do the Tories' dirty work.

It does give campaigners a more accessible target to challenge though, but make the same campaigners much more visible which some won't want, local Job Centre scrutinising FB, etc.

 

[Tom A]

Red Tory Philip Blond gave the game away last year when he said that devolution of NHS funding to GMR would allow those with MH problems to be helped by offering them Workfare.

Bastards. Of course it was Manchester that was (and may still) going to have its mental health services cut to the bone, thanks to gallant campaigning they have been given a stay of execution but it remains to see whether they'll try to cut it again when the heat goes off.

I wonder what Burnham;s view on that will be.

Burnham says all the right things, particularly on housing, but we all know what politicians are like before and after they get elected, although having seen how the Labour Party has actually fared under Corbyn part of me wishes it was Burnham that won the leadership election last year.

 

[kebabking]

good job niether of those things are extant eh

A 17% party lead over Labour, and a 33% personal lead over Corbyn, suggests that that's not what the electorate thinks, as yet.

 

[Tom A]

It does give campaigners a more accessible target to challenge though, but make the same campaigners much more visible which some won't want, local Job Centre scrutinising FB, etc.

I was under the assumption the Job Centre already was well aware of what goes down on social media. However even if the local authority was to be totally sympathetic to their cause, that means naught if central government cannot be persuaded to change track.

 

[DotCommunist]

A 17% party lead over Labour, and a 33% personal lead over Corbyn, suggests that that's not what the electorate thinks, as yet.

suggests being the operative word given the current repuatation of pollsters...
But in either case just because someone thinks the labour party is shit (they are) it doesn't follow that they think May and austerity are doing us all good.

 

[Tom A]

suggests being the operative word given the current repuatation of pollsters...
But in either case just because someone thinks the labour party is shit (they are) it doesn't follow that they think May and austerity are doing us all good.

The problems is that such people are inclined to support UKIP, or in more well-heeled places support a Lib Dem revival.

 

[DownwardDog]

What is so great about him visiting a foodbank when a Labour council have just announced a 10million cut to homeless and DV services?

It gets him out in the fresh air. It's important for him to stay active.

 

[kebabking]

suggests being the operative word given the current repuatation of pollsters...
But in either case just because someone thinks the labour party is shit (they are) it doesn't follow that they think May and austerity are doing us all good.

If you read the minutiae of the polling, the specifics of how the government is handling each individual issue suggests that the electorate thinks that government is not doing well - the economy, BREXIT, immigration etc.. all have less than inspiring approval figures, and yet they've been over, and well over, 40% for 6 months with Labour having a wet dream at the idea of touching 30%.

Perhaps they feel that the Tories will/have screw it up but will do so well and while making the electorate feel good, whereas Labour would screw it up in a somewhat chaotic, rather undignified manner?

 

[Tom A]

Perhaps they feel that the Tories will/have screw it up but will do so well and while making the electorate feel good, whereas Labour would screw it up in a somewhat chaotic, rather undignified manner?

Relying on hope that your enemy will fuck up is not a sound strategy.

 

[DotCommunist]

If you read the minutiae of the polling, the specifics of how the government is handling each individual issue suggests that the electorate thinks that government is not doing well - the economy, BREXIT, immigration etc.. all have less than inspiring approval figures, and yet they've been over, and well over, 40% for 6 months with Labour having a wet dream at the idea of touching 30%.

Perhaps they feel that the Tories will/have screw it up but will do so well and while making the electorate feel good, whereas Labour would screw it up in a somewhat chaotic, rather undignified manner?

which suggests the shambolic lurching figure that is the current labour party is being held back from credibility in some way. Possibly a rabidly hostile PLP and media? I'm sure they could bring about their own demise under corbyn-in-power, soc/dem is what it is after all, but really, this cannot be all laid at the feet of a labour left who had thought themselves elbow patching into obscurity?

 

[hash tag]

If you read the minutiae of the polling, the specifics of how the government is handling each individual issue suggests that the electorate thinks that government is not doing well - the economy, BREXIT, immigration etc.. all have less than inspiring approval figures, and yet they've been over, and well over, 40% for 6 months with Labour having a wet dream at the idea of touching 30%.

Perhaps they feel that the Tories will/have screw it up but will do so well and while making the electorate feel good, whereas Labour would screw it up in a somewhat chaotic, rather undignified manner?

The goverment, if not totally fucked these up, are not exactly covering themseves in glory and this is when Labour should be saying so, big time.

 

[mikey mikey]

Labour MPs are threatening to ‘work to rule’ after their Chief Whip Nick Brown spoke at a Momentum conference that called for mandatory reselection of Westminster candidates.

Backbenchers are also set to ‘go rogue’ in protest at Brown’s failure to discipline shadow ministers who defied the party whip on a Commons vote on Brexit last week.

Here we go again.

HuffPost UK has been told that a delegation of veteran MPs has sought a meeting with their Chief Whip this week and a collection of backbenchers will also write to register their discontent.

No prizes who these are, eh?

Labour MPs Threaten Jeremy Corbyn With 'Work To Rule' In Row Over Momentum | The Huffington Post

 

[19force8]

When Louise Raw wrote this open letter criticising him Dear Peter, all your protest achieved was to detract from women's issues , what did he say?

I support all Louise's points about women's oppression and the need for female emancipation in Britain - and worldwide. Our protest was defending Syrian WOMEN (& others) against Assad's fascism. Women have been killed in Syria in their tens of thousands.

Despite the fact that Corbyn's speech talked about women in conflict zones and specifically Syria.

When the Morning Star pointed this out to Tatchell, what did he say?

“It’s a pity, sorry about that,” but went on to claim that “it wouldn’t have received any coverage in the mainstream media anyway.”

That's him off my xmas card list!

 

[Wilf]

If you read the minutiae of the polling, the specifics of how the government is handling each individual issue suggests that the electorate thinks that government is not doing well - the economy, BREXIT, immigration etc.. all have less than inspiring approval figures, and yet they've been over, and well over, 40% for 6 months with Labour having a wet dream at the idea of touching 30%.

Perhaps they feel that the Tories will/have screw it up but will do so well and while making the electorate feel good, whereas Labour would screw it up in a somewhat chaotic, rather undignified manner?

That's it really. It's not helpful to simply say Labour are fucked (they are of course), it's that they have no obvious route to power. When Corbyn was elected I had a daydream that the numbers he was attracting in meetings (and as new members) might have been the basis for creating some kind of movement, connecting with forces outside parliament. Lots to say about that, it wouldn't have been in line with my own politics anyway and would have been a process full of contradictions (they parliamentary bit of the alliance always letting the extra parliamentary down). Most of all it was never going to happen. Momentum et al were never well placed to engage with working class communities - and haven't done.

For me, most of all, Labour is stuck. There's no obvious way out of the impasse of a social democratic membership stuck with various sorts of right wingers representing the party at national and local levels. Neither side can purge the other, so there's no movement and no basis for any kind of unified intense campaigning. Not so much that Labour are behind in the polls, they are no longer significant players. Only still in the game because they have a national organisation and a residual voter core that UKip hasn't and probably won't be able to take over lock stock and barrel. Same with the Brexit thing, Labour didn't campaign well and didn't grasp that large numbers of people were fucked off about neoliberalism, unemployment and being abandoned.

 

[nuffsaid]

Jeremy Corbyn may be unassailable, but he is not leading Labour | Rafael Behr

"Meanwhile, the incumbent gets to be just “Jeremy” – a rallying cry, an icon, a standard to hold aloft when enemies approach. He has won the battle to decide what Labour no longer wants to be, but he has no answers to the question of what it does next. He is unassailable at the top of the party, but he is not leading it."

 

[mikey mikey]

Rafael Behr has spent the last 18 months writing mostly Corbyn-bashing crap.
But this is what he said about David Cameron when he quit.

Before he entered Downing Street, Cameron wanted to be a liberal, compassionate Tory, and he still wants to be one as he ponders departure.

Downing Street strategists have a fantasy scenario: a domestic agenda based around housing, social mobility and poverty alleviation, which couples classic conservative themes of self-reliance and aspiration with a new streak of conscientious interventionism.

Compassionate Conservatism: the idea that David Cameron is forever postponing | Rafael Behr

That's the "liberal" press.

 

[Tom A]

I used to be a fan of Tatchell, considering him someone who brings up inconvenient truths that the "anti-imperialist" left would rather dismiss or flatly deny. But he definitely is of a wooly liberal persuasion, and his stunts do rub people up the wrong way. Nothing wrong with it when it was homophobic policy makers as with many of the OutRage! protests in the 90s, but when it's your own comrades it gets a bit thin - his latest stunt has done nothing to get Corbyn to look critically at his party's stance on the matter (which he probably won't anyway considering how embedded he is in with the Stop the (West's) War(s) Coalition) or to get Labour members to persuade the leadership to change their stance, and on reading his social media he does big himself up a hell of a lot, always self-promoting his websites, and his arrogant demeanour isn't conducive to winning people over to his side of the argument.

 

[General Veers]

That's it really. It's not helpful to simply say Labour are fucked (they are of course), it's that they have no obvious route to power. When Corbyn was elected I had a daydream that the numbers he was attracting in meetings (and as new members) might have been the basis for creating some kind of movement, connecting with forces outside parliament. Lots to say about that, it wouldn't have been in line with my own politics anyway and would have been a process full of contradictions (they parliamentary bit of the alliance always letting the extra parliamentary down). Most of all it was never going to happen. Momentum et al were never well placed to engage with working class communities - and haven't done.

For me, most of all, Labour is stuck. There's no obvious way out of the impasse of a social democratic membership stuck with various sorts of right wingers representing the party at national and local levels. Neither side can purge the other, so there's no movement and no basis for any kind of unified intense campaigning. Not so much that Labour are behind in the polls, they are no longer significant players. Only still in the game because they have a national organisation and a residual voter core that UKip hasn't and probably won't be able to take over lock stock and barrel. Same with the Brexit thing, Labour didn't campaign well and didn't grasp that large numbers of people were fucked off about neoliberalism, unemployment and being abandoned.

Pretty good this. I want to vote Labour because of Corbyn but I can't bring myself to vote for my local ultra-Blairite traitorous shithouse MP. I will have to but it doesn't sit right.

 

[Tom A]

Pretty good this. I want to vote Labour because of Corbyn but I can't bring myself to vote for my local ultra-Blairite traitorous shithouse MP. I will have to but it doesn't sit right.

I voted for my Labour councillor (who is no Corbynista) in the elections purely to avoid a situation where a fall in the Labour vote would be blamed on Corbyn. Since then however, I have become disillusioned with Corbyn and Corbynism...