Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Orang Utan]

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Shows up for me. I think sometimes you just have to wait a bit for it to load.

 

[teqniq]

Shows up for me. I think sometimes you just have to wait a bit for it to load.

Emedded tweets don't show up in Tapatalk, it says 'unsupported media' so I now often only embed tweets if they have a vid in them.

 

[Orang Utan]

Emedded tweets don't show up in Tapatalk, it says 'unsupported media' so I now often only embed tweets if they have a vid in them.

Serves you right for using tapatalk! it's a useless app.
I CBA snipping it so here's a link:


ah, bollocks:
It's a tweet from Progress:
.@SKinnock We must move away from multiculturalism and towards assimilation. We must stand for one group: the British people. #progpolitics

 

[DotCommunist]

your biological and political distinctiveness will be added to our own. Resisistance is futile.

 

[teqniq]

Serves you right for using tapatalk! it's a useless app.
I CBA snipping it so here's a link:


ah, bollocks:
It's a tweet from Progress:
.@SKinnock We must move away from multiculturalism and towards assimilation. We must stand for one group: the British people. #progpolitics

lol yeah it's not the best app I've ever come across but better than using a browser on a phone imo. Screenies don't take long to do really.

 

[butchersapron]

Serves you right for using tapatalk! it's a useless app.
I CBA snipping it so here's a link:


ah, bollocks:
It's a tweet from Progress:
.@SKinnock We must move away from multiculturalism and towards assimilation. We must stand for one group: the British people. #progpolitics

Yes, it's to kinnock - but it's also just re-stating what is one of the competing mainstream views on this and has been for decades and decades.There's nothing there either new or outrageous. The context in which it's being used above has changed of course.

 

[Orang Utan]

lol yeah it's not the best app I've ever come across but better than using a browser on a phone imo. Screenies don't take long to do really.

I've never had any trouble with chrome on my phone.
screengrabs don't look great on a phone though

 

[killer b]

There's plenty of leftwing critiques of multiculturalism - which the second part of the tweet suggests isnt Kinnocks angle... has anyone read the full thing yet?

 

[killer b]

Ah, I assumed it was quoting Kinnock for some reason.

 

[treelover]

Even Corbyn doesn't mention that the crisis in social care doesn't just affect older people, it affects hundreds of thousands of disabled and sick people, inc many young ones.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Ah, I assumed it was quoting Kinnock for some reason.

It is at least paraphrasing Kinnock, I am pretty sure - it's part of a series of tweets with what seem like comments by speakers at some event they were having.

If anyone fancies listening to an hour and a half of it to see what he said exactly... (spoiler: I don't)

 

[J Ed]

It is at least paraphrasing Kinnock, I am pretty sure - it's part of a series of tweets with what seem like comments by speakers at some event they were having.

If anyone fancies listening to an hour and a half of it to see what he said exactly... (spoiler: I don't)

I posted up thread about similar remarks he made at an LSE event.

 

[J Ed]

Wasn't sure really where to put this and it doesn't deserve its own thread, so I will write it here in the absence of somewhere better

I was listening to some of this lecture The New Minority: white working class politics in an era of immigration and inequality - Public lectures and events

I do not recommend it, it is very patronising and anthropological and has a very heavy emphasis on the sort of weird anthropological Ace Ventura: Pet Detective take that some academics seem to have decided on now for the British (and American) working-class but what I did find interesting was Stephen Kinnock's participation in it.

The stuff he says is really interesting, it shows how radically political discourse, if (as with May etc) nothing else, has changed. He talks very critically about neoliberalism which he identifies by that name but only in very generalised terms, and he fails to make any actual specific critiques of it beyond immigration. Is this what the right of the Labour Party are going to do now?

 

[Pickman's model]

Shows up for me. I think sometimes you just have to wait a bit for it to load.

Yeh. well, after waiting four or five minutes I tend to get a mite pissed off when it has yet to appear

 

[cantsin]

Richmond result = zero chance of May 2017 election being called by PM

Feels like bad news for Corbo - not that there was any suggestion any GE 2107 would have been an easy ride for him or Labour, but at least there would have been some residual rank and file energy still floating about from his re relection.

Its obvious that he's going to struggle to ever connect in the post Brexit Lab heartlands ( majority leavers ) .....

So Clive Lewis stepping up in 2018, bit of a fresh start, " we weren't necessarily in the right place, on Brexit, we're from a long standing socialist /anti EU tradition, time to reconnect with that...." ?

Sack Kezia Dugdale immediately, progressive pact with SNP, incl ,guarantee of LP support for 2ND Indy ref , and Indie Scotland ?

 

[mikey mikey]

They will have to somehow deal with Labour First and Progress. There is no way they will stop the infighting until a Progress leader is in charge of the Labour Party.

Meanwhile Corbyn's speech in Prague is hitting numerous nails on their head.

We know the gap between rich and poor is widening. We know living standards are stagnating or falling and insecurity is growing.

We know that many people feel left behind by the forces unleashed by globalisation – powerless in the face of deregulated corporate power.

Often the populist right do identify the right problems but their solutions are the toxic dead ends of the past, seeking to divert it with rhetoric designed to divide and blame.

They are political parasites, feeding on people’s concerns and worsening conditions, blaming the most vulnerable for society’s ills instead of offering a way to take back real control of our lives from powerful elites who serve their own interests.

But unless progressive parties and movements break with that failed economic and political establishment it is the siren voices of the populist far right that will fill the gap

Corbyn: “Alarming acceleration” in the populist right across Europe and beyond | LabourList

 

[cantsin]

They will have to somehow deal with Labour First and Progress. There is no way they will stop the infighting until a Progress leader is in charge of the Labour Party.

Meanwhile Corbyn's speech in Prague is hitting numerous nails on their head.



Corbyn: “Alarming acceleration” in the populist right across Europe and beyond | LabourList

Progress and LF are a sideshow for as long as current leadership election rules stand - hopefully they'll eventually crawl off to join the Lib Dems if Lewis was next leader.

 

[mikey mikey]

I like Lewis, don't get me wrong, but I wouldn't understimate the machinations going on within the NEC.

If there is any complacence in the membership, we will find ourselves being presented the choice of some David Milliband clone or the next Tory Terror.

Over the last few years I have been shocked and saddened to learn that the so-called "moderates" within the Labour Party actually support austerity and TTIP and privatisation.

 

[cantsin]

Progress and LF are a sideshow for as long as current leadership election rules stand - hopefully they'll eventually crawl off to join the Lib Dems if Lewis was next leader.Though the way it's all going, not sure if I'll personally give much of a fook by then anyway tbh

 

[treelover]

They will have to somehow deal with Labour First and Progress. There is no way they will stop the infighting until a Progress leader is in charge of the Labour Party.

Meanwhile Corbyn's speech in Prague is hitting numerous nails on their head.



Corbyn: “Alarming acceleration” in the populist right across Europe and beyond | LabourList

For the few in the general public who have even noticed it, i don't think his speech went down too well, the language of the 30's doesn't resonate with many, jars with some.

 

[mikey mikey]

Which part of his speech are you describing as "language of the 30s"?
How do you know how few in the general public noticed the speech?
How do you know what resonates and jars with the general public?

 

[treelover]

Brexit?, the rise of UKIP, 4 milllion votes, its a new paradigm and the left is flailing.

He, Corbyn, is now leader of a massive parliamentary party hoping to be elected anything he says will be recorded, spun by right wing papers, etc. 'Parasites' might be correct but he is attacking voters for say UKIP when he says that.

 

[mikey mikey]

Still not getting this "1930s" language bit.

 

[Duncan2]

From the article above-Corbyn-'when we face the challenge of migration we need to work together to halt the exploitation of migrant labour to undercut pay and conditions in a race to the bottom across Europe'
This is the bit I have difficulty with i.e what it means in terms of practical policies.I think it means that the answer to the 'challenge' of migration involves raising wages in other parts of Europe by getting organised on a Trans-European basis.Otoh that would surely just be a pious hope so it must mean something more/other than that?

 

[Humberto]

Former Labour leadership candidate Owen Smith will seek to change legislation to allow Parliament the option of holding a second EU referendum.

The Pontypridd MP said the government should be able to ask people if they are certain they want to leave Europe.

Thought I'd put it here. Stupid cunt. Whats his game?

 

[mikey mikey]

Owen "Austerity is right" Smith is a corporate lobbyist; specifically Pfizer and Amgen

Owen Smith backed big pharma over use of cheaper drugs by NHS in 2010
Owen Smith worked as PR chief for biotech firm hit by $762m fine

He has been promoting back door privatisation of the NHS.

As chief lobbyist for Pfizer, Smith actively pushed for privatisation of NHS services. This is not something Pfizer did very openly, and you have to search the evidence carefully. Footnotes often tell you what is really happening, as in this press release in which Owen Smith says of a Pfizer funded “focus group” study:

"We believe that choice is a good thing and that patients and healthcare professionals should be at the heart of developing the agenda."

You have to look at the footnotes to see what kind of choice Owen Smith is actually talking about. Note to Editors 3 includes

“The focus groups also explored areas of choice that do not yet exist in the UK – most specifically the use of direct payments and the ability to choose to go directly to a specialist without first having to see the GP.”

Well, at least it is clear – direct payments from the public to doctors replacing current NHS services. Smith was promoting straight privatisation. As Head of Policy and Government Relations for Pfizer, Owen Smith was also directly involved in Pfizer’s funding of Blairite right wing entryist group Progress. Pfizer gave Progress £53,000. Progress has actively pursued the agenda of PFI and privatisation of NHS services.

The Entirely Fake Owen Smith - Craig Murray

 

[DotCommunist]

we saw what mark of a man he was during the challenge. He's a complete fraud, a yes man, a toady and an entitled wanker who managed to intersperse crude sexual boasts with attempts at prolier than thou (over a cup of fucking coffee). Anyone who has to say 'I'm normal' generally isn't.

 

[rekil]

He livetweeted his wedding anniversary.

 

[mikey mikey]

He used fake bot accounts on twitter during the leadership election/coup.
Éoin (@LabourEoin) on Twitter

Then he threatens to sue bloggers like Mike Siviers over at Voxpolitical

He never had the guts to actually do it, but that's cos Mr. Siviers knows his stuff.

And this is what Owen Smith had for the rest of us.

Q: You says you would allow minimum hours contracts, not zero-hours contracts. What would the minimum be?

Smith says we should reverse the status quo. A contract should offer a minimum number of hours.

Q: Could it be one hour?

It could, says Smith. But the important thing is that it is not zero.

See?

Not Tory-lite at all!

Zero hour contracts are OUT!

Owen "saviour" Smith will bring us ONE hour contracts!

We are SAVED!

Labour leadership: Owen Smith proposes £3bn wealth tax – as it happened

And this is what he thinks of Labour rank and file

https://s3.postimg.org/9wmsafw1v/owen.png

It's no wonder he lost. He never had any support in his own CLP in the first place.

Labour Party members of Blaenau Gwent, the only Constituency Labour Party in Wales so far to have nominated Owen Smith for the party leadership, have questioned the way in which the nomination was made.

Last year all members of the Blaenau Gwent local party had a vote and nominated Jeremy Corbyn.

This year, however, a decision was taken by senior party figures that only delegates to the constituency’s general committee would be allowed to vote in a secret ballot. This resulted in Mr Smith getting the nomination.

Here are the complaint of one member:

“Like a lot of other members, I was disappointed that, as a member, I couldn’t take part. Why has it been changed this time? Obviously to get a different result.”

And another here:

“I was so disappointed at the way the voting took place. It was the first time I had attended a meeting and I was shocked to learn the results of our vote had to then be fed into a secret ballot. What is there to be secret about?

"Everyone was open about their preferred choice and surely it would have been more honest if we could have seen exactly who the delegates were voting for.”

Labour complaints over how constituency chose to back Owen Smith

And if all that wan't enough. The man hasn't got the sense to hide his own server password.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

Owen Smith? Name vaguely rings a bell.