Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[mauvais]

Well, your video says it - a car is a 'cyber physical system'. So so what? I don't deny it's a recognised term, but barely so, and I think it has pretty weak meaning even compared to fairly nebulous things like IOT. As for smart factories, the strongest link to that idea is surely labour reduction.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Yeah, even if there is some sense there, it comes over as half baked in context.

 

[mauvais]

Also I'd say 'big data' has a quite limited ecosystem around it. If you build a car then you need manufacturing, design, a whole load of suppliers and they all produce jobs. Big data is a largely self contained professional, value-add service. You couldn't even begin to base an economy on it.

IOT could mean volume manufacturing. It is something to be taken seriously. Why Britain might be well placed to exploit that trend is less clear.

Then again I'm probably thinking too much about some straight up bullshit bingo.

Q: why does noone ever say less nebulous things like, let's expand car manufacturing? You know, the thing we are actually good at and already doing and basing some of our economy around

 

[kabbes]

Q: why does noone ever say less nebulous things like, let's expand car manufacturing? You know, the thing we are actually good at and already doing and basing some of our economy around

Donald Trump did, I guess.

 

[belboid]

Q: why does noone ever say less nebulous things like, let's expand car manufacturing? You know, the thing we are actually good at and already doing and basing some of our economy around

cos that's another seventies throwback. This, embarrassingly naff, tweet thing is an attempt to throw off the smell of old fart with old fashioned ideas, that hangs around Corbyn. Shows he is hip and has real ideas about socialism in the twenty-first century.

 

[mauvais]

Donald Trump did, I guess.

His lot are doing *something* - mostly trying to re-enact a hybrid of the 1930s and Season 2 of The Wire I think. Reopening the shipyards etc regardless of whether there's any demand for ships. He's also taking credit for saving various US car plants that were never in any danger.

But, and I say this as a software engineer, it still makes more sense than trying to attach an economic revival to IOT etcetera. It's barely even a workable Call of Duty plot.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Well, that's sort of the point of cyber-physical systems. It puts AI, or at least advanced control technology into a range of more traditional engineering manufacturing.

I think there are a lot of issues worth discussing around that, but I'm not sure this thread is the place.

The issue here is presumably more one of presentation. Nobody is going to have a scooby what he's on about (see 'call-centre manager who just went on a course he didn't understand' comment above) and it plays into the hands of hostile propaganda.

 

[mauvais]

cos that's another seventies throwback. This, embarrassingly naff, tweet thing is an attempt to throw off the smell of old fart with old fashioned ideas, that hangs around Corbyn. Shows he is hip and has real ideas about socialism in the twenty-first century.

He should have stuck with the throwback and attached some nu-balls to that. We make more cars than we ever did. I know they'd tie it to the dark days of British Leyland etc but it's at least an actual thing that means jobs. However IME it only ever comes up when manufacturers are thinking about investing or quitting.

 

[mauvais]

Well, that's sort of the point of cyber-physical systems. It puts AI, or at least advanced control technology into a range of more traditional engineering manufacturing.

I think there are a lot of issues worth discussing around that, but I'm not sure this thread is the place.

Agreed, this could be part of a meaningful theme. World class quality volume manufacturing is how the UK, Italy etc are still home to making certain things like cars despite globalisation and the outsourcing of many things to cheap labour countries. So that should be the message. AI and manufacturing technique and so on is an idea that adds value to something else, it doesn't stand up on its own. He's supposed to be a sensible pragmatic politician so why when it comes to tech and business do we get this guff?

 

[magneze]

It was going OK up to and including 'big data' but then the last bit is total bollocks. At least IOT and big data are actual things. Cyber physical systems? What?

I thought that but a quick Google shows that it's actually a thing.

 

[two sheds]

It's easy - just start off with small average-sized data, then give it a cheeky rub.

I tried that i still only got little data

 

[butchersapron]

This guff - reminiscent of nothing so much as Harold Wilson's rip-off of the Shah of Iran's PR for his 'White Revolution' - was from talk/plea to the CBI - i doubt they'll be doing this stuff for real less important, less easily impressed people.

 

[Raheem]

Puzzling. Sounds more like something a Blairite might say, given that most of the people who could benefit from chasing hitech waves are probably already doing ok.

Possibly OT, but I just thought I'd mention that there's no natural reason it wouldn't benefit everyone, if things were done a little differently.

 

[Raheem]

This guff - reminiscent of nothing so much as Harold Wilson's rip-off of the Shah of Iran's PR for his 'White Revolution' - was from talk/plea to the CBI - i doubt they'll be doing this stuff for real less important, less easily impressed people.

It also sounds not quite as ridiculous in the context of the speech (although I'm not saying it isn't guff all the same). The WTF part of it is that they have unsupervised chimps running the twitter feed.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

This guff - reminiscent of nothing so much as Harold Wilson's rip-off of the Shah of Iran's PR for his 'White Revolution' - was from talk/plea to the CBI - i doubt they'll be doing this stuff for real less important, less easily impressed people.

It's a subject for a separate thread, but there are aspects to the technologies that might have got Bookchin/Kropotkin et. al. excited.

Not least, once the components have been mass produced, the ability to put together some really interesting and useful (to normal humans) stuff at local scale.

 

[Libertad]

It's a subject for a separate thread, but there are aspects to the technologies that might have got Bookchin/Kropotkin et. al. excited.

Not least, once the components have been mass produced, the ability to put together some really interesting and useful (to normal humans) stuff at local scale.

Raspberry Pi's for the people, a 3D printer in every library.

 

[DownwardDog]

The WTF part of it is that they have unsupervised chimps running the twitter feed.

What part of the Corbyn experience to date led you to expect polished professionalism?

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Raspberry Pi's for the people, a 3D printer in every library.

Yeah, or back-shed biotech for production of royalty-free medicines ...

 

[Raheem]

What part of the Corbyn experience to date led you to expect polished professionalism?

That time when he got the backing of UB40 but not the singer and held a press conference.

 

[belboid]

It's a subject for a separate thread, but there are aspects to the technologies that might have got Bookchin/Kropotkin et. al. excited.

Not least, once the components have been mass produced, the ability to put together some really interesting and useful (to normal humans) stuff at local scale.

The potential is really humungous, the fact that certain authors get wildly carried away about it, only semi-coherently, shouldn't make us forget that.

Although I do suspect that if Corbyn were asked to define any of the terms used in any detail, he'd be left spluttering.

 

[DotCommunist]

I believe st J prefers to grow his marrows on an allotment rather than have them produced in a bio-vat nanochamber.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I've heard all that bollocks from Tories recently; same buzzwords, almost word for word. I don't know where it's come from though. Perhaps somebody has written a paper.

 

[Sirena]

Puzzling. Sounds more like something a Blairite might say, given that most of the people who could benefit from chasing hitech waves are probably already doing ok.

I guess they could be trying to appeal to educated, endebted and opportunity-less young people, but it doesn't seem to be terribly relevant to the Sun-reading public.

The context seems to be a broader attempt at industrial policy: Corbyn tell business leaders: We’ll use the state to power a new industrial revolution | LabourList

The biggest problem I see with this stuff is that IoT, cyber physical systems etc right now are more about chasing investor trends than producing anything terribly useful.

It's a spoof.

 

[Pickman's model]

14000 replies and corbyn's still there

 

[Pickman's model]

I voted for Corbyn. I don't think he has covered himself in glory over the past few months and was virtually absent on the eu debate. This has possibly cost a lot of remain votes. His time is up. He should go. Give the party time to elect a leader and sort themselves out before the next election.

how's it gone hash tag?

 

[inva]

It's a spoof.

and they got it posted on Corbyn's own twitter account. impressive

 

[FridgeMagnet]

It's a spoof.

labourlist is a spoof? I'd always suspected....

 

[Supine]

It's a spoof.

Thought so, no political party would see him as a leader

 

[Sirena]

labourlist is a spoof? I'd always suspected....

I presumed from the start - without even looking into it - that it must be a joke.

But I see, sadly, it isn't....

 

[hash tag]

how's it gone hash tag?

I see you partially answered your own question in your previous post. Clearly I am not alone. It would still appear to be a contentious issue which still has legs