The39thStep
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The only time the working class was mentioned was by a Progress spokesperson!
Jeremy Corbyn's time is up
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FridgeMagnet
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It interviewed a very small set of Momentum types and made them out to be nice middle-class liberals with a slightly different but valid point of view, in a way that you'd imagine a Guardian editor could have thought "well this is sympathetic, we're giving them a fair go". They're only interested in Momentum and a fairly small slice of that, clearly, as it's something identifiable to them; it didn't go anywhere outside of that brief.
The whole thing was also run through with constant chippy references to how these Corbynistas hate the "MSM", and had an obligatory downbeat ending, where they talked to Paul Mason and then said "ooh I dunno he wants to smash capitalism that sounds a bit extreme I guess these guys aren't so great even though they're nice middle class liberals".
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timeforanother
Cynic, and loves it when people are just lovely.
When I read comments on facebook or see who turns up to the rallies, it seems clear to me it isn't just about these youngsters who haven't read enough books, there are lots of older faces too (of different colours and hairiness) who want a return to the values that did good in the past, and take it much further.
Treacle Toes
Time
I refuse to read but you might want to...
Corbyn supporters are 'tyrannical middle-class smart-a***s'
Corbyn supporters are 'tyrannical middle-class smart-a***s'
timeforanother
Cynic, and loves it when people are just lovely.
Eve with the bias against the left, I've been surprised how many pro articles slip through in things like the Standard and the MEN. You can't totally alienate your audience, as the Sun is finding out in Liverpool and beyond
cantsin
Well-Known Member
"I used to go to loads of really tough union meetings, telling Liverpool strikers to go back to work. They always listened, they never booed."
scabby, lightweight no mark tw*T
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Under the old system (pre-2011) that's exactly what did happen.
J Ed
Follow Back Pro Expropriation
It's a stupid policy. I don't know why he is bothering with this appeasement stuff, if he has the votes at the NEC to get this stuff through fuck the compromise, have the members vote on 100% of it.
Absolutely, it shows his true self when he can pull stunts like this having been the general secretary of a trade union.
No shame either, quite proud to stand shoulder to shoulder with the capitalist bosses rather than the working people he has the audacity to say he represents.
Obviously he has more faces than Goldthorpe town clock!
(4BTW)
timeforanother
Cynic, and loves it when people are just lovely.
I count myself anoungst the useless who weren't talking to people in the mill towns,
steveo87
22/11/2022 - got a maths joke.
If the 'right' of the party were to put up someone with an ounce of charisma, or the merest appearance of leadership potential, then maybe they'd have a reasonable shot at winning *something*.
The reality it that the PLP has more than a passing resemblance of the Tories circa 1994, listlessly trying to look authoritarian and purposeful - but instead looking lost without that ACTUAL charismatic/Authoritarian (delete where applicable) leader.
timeforanother
Cynic, and loves it when people are just lovely.
There is a sad irony if the UK gets TTIP and the EU doesn't
cantsin
Well-Known Member
How wld this happen ? ( may have missed something here )
timeforanother
Cynic, and loves it when people are just lovely.
It is more likely with the UK out of the EU. The tories are desperate for trade deals and were fans. The French seemed to hate the idea.
imposs1904
Thread Killa'
One of the comments
"In the last week at alone I have been a depressed Welsh vegetarian, an alien parasite and now I'm a middle class smart a***. I can't keep up; it calls for more costume changes that Mr Benn used to have in the Fancy Dress Shop. Does one thing supersede another or do I have to be everything at the same time; I ask because my Nazi stormtrooper and dog costumes could do with a wash."
this was my favourite line:
She studied international politics at Goldsmiths, but it was doing work experience at the House of Commons that turned her off Westminster. “All these people were getting pissed at lunchtimes, do you know what I mean? I’d see MPs out on the river terrace and I just thought, You guys live in a bubble.
The new left: don’t call them Corbynistas
JHE
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Getting pissed at lunchtime is not an activity peculiar to the Palace of Westminster. If may not be as common as it was 20 years ago, but there are loads of office bods, other workers and of course students guzzling booze at lunchtime. Did the young woman quoted there never see her fellow Goldsmith students in the SU bar at lunchtime?
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
The point is the bubble(s), not the getting pissed in the day.
ska invita
back on the other side
That's how some young people speak tbf
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
Bubble.
Yeah, it was the Goldsmiths politics alumni (seems to be a lot of them about in this world - at least two in this article alone) doing work experience at the HoC complaining about someone else being in a bubble.
That Goldsmiths - the British home of screeching identarianism - seems to be providing so many of the spokespeople for Momentum gives me some cause for concern, must say...
ska invita
back on the other side
i see what you mean...
Cid
Proper break this time
I dunno. I mean School -> uni is a pretty common path these days, and has inherently bubblish characteristics. In terms of her hypocrisy I mean, I find it hard to be too cynical about someone who is basically young and inexperienced having a bit of an epiphany about the way Westminster politics actually works. And she's gone off and set up an organisation that at least tries to do grass roots organising...
... that said she seems rather front and centre in it, and she is running for the GLA. And certainly agree that Goldsmiths bubble -> Momentum post-student activist bubble is probably not a great thing.
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