Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[kabbes]

The problem with that graph is the same as the problem with this one:

 

[two sheds]

Yeh you wait though, I understand the police are already correlating his recent visits to swimming pools.

 

[timeforanother]

Good graph kabbes, wouldn't be scary if we found out it was more than correlation?

 

[squirrelp]

I think the problem with the graph is that is far too small a sample to draw firm conclusions from. We can though expect leader approval statistics to correlate with electability, but Corbyn's approval stats can move, and freaky results are certainly possible (take Brexit for instance)

 

[redsquirrel]

Good graph kabbes, wouldn't be scary if we found out it was more than correlation?

Cage celebrates every film role he gets by drowning 30 people

 

[andysays]

Lord Kinnock warns against Jeremy Corbyn re-election

Speaking to the BBC's Panorama programme, Lord Kinnock said: "Unless things change radically, and rapidly, it's very doubtful I'll see another Labour government in my lifetime."

Lord Kinnock, who led the fight against left-wing extremism in the 1980s, when Labour was paralysed by faction fighting, said: "Not just in my lifetime but stretching back to the 1930s, by any examination this is the greatest crisis that the Labour Party has faced."

 

[brogdale]

The problem with that graph is the same as the problem with this one:
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I'm not sure that the Labour leaders graph does actually fall into the trap of 'correlation (between 2 different variable)not = causation' criticism. Although it is plotted on 2 axes, it's primarily a means of comparison of one data set, that of polling performance.

 

[Sprocket.]

Lord Kinnock warns against Jeremy Corbyn re-election

Kinnock, such a great leader.
Or better known as the start of the rot!

 

[newbie]

That's a fair point of course. But it does underline the dilemma for the part of the Labour party that doesn't just want to be elected whatever it takes: we need a viable, credible, electable opposition now at least as much as we ever have. But really turning the current LP into something worth electing could be the work of a couple of generations at least. I mean, it all sounds great when Corbyn talks about giving the power back to the members but grassroots-up politics will take a very long time to do properly. The problem is, they've got two essential jobs to do - real opposition, and totally overhauling the party - which it doesn't appear possible to do at the same time.

the way forward is clear comrade. Effective opposition will be built when the party membership elects the shadow SoS for Brexit and the PLP chooses the shadow minister for abattoirs.

 

[DrRingDing]

Surely the Corbyn Cabal must be plotting to undermine this return to the PLP electing the cabinet business. The PLP are hardly going to vote them in?

So, the Corbyn lot have cooked up an alternative proposal that will keep the plp in their box. 1/3 of the shadow cabinet to be chosen by the leader, 1/3 by the plp & 1/3 by the membership.

Corbyn to give members power to choose shadow team and policies

 

[kabbes]

I'm not sure that the Labour leaders graph does actually fall into the trap of 'correlation (between 2 different variable)not = causation' criticism. Although it is plotted on 2 axes, it's primarily a means of comparison of one data set, that of polling performance.

A better comparison would have been one for which the variables are genuinely related but not through direct causation.

Like the fact that in children, shoe size is correlated with IQ. Because older children have bigger feet and higher IQ than younger children. The correlation doesn't tell you nothing, exactly, but it is obfuscating the true relationships of variables.

 

[DotCommunist]

Lord Kinnock can shove his ermine up his backside. Whose he to talk about winning elections the doss cunt

 

[brogdale]

A better comparison would have been one for which the variables are genuinely related but not through direct causation.

Like the fact that in children, shoe size is correlated with IQ. Because older children have bigger feet and higher IQ than younger children. The correlation doesn't tell you nothing, exactly, but it is obfuscating the true relationships of variables.

Perhaps reading the graph without the grey "winning zone" might be better.

 

[chilango]

Lord Kinnock warns against Jeremy Corbyn re-election

Kinnock's right though. Unless things change radically Labour probably won't win another GE in his lifetime (short as that may be) and Labour is facing an existential crisis.

But the answer to both is the opposite of what he thinks it is.

 

[billy_bob]

Watch this space, I'm not alone

Well good luck to you. But that response doesn't even attempt to address the point I made, so it's very far from convincing/reassuring. I don't yearn for the mainstream left to spend 20 years in the wilderness reassessing itself: I just think it may not have much choice if it really wants to be more than the slightly less nasty party.

 

[bi0boy]

So, the Corbyn lot have cooked up an alternative proposal that will keep the plp in their box. 1/3 of the shadow cabinet to be chosen by the leader, 1/3 by the plp & 1/3 by the membership.

Corbyn to give members power to choose shadow team and policies

Not sure how a PM can govern with two thirds of their government being chosen by someone else. Perhaps they don't envisage that problem arising.

 

[Zapp Brannigan]

Lord Kinnock warns against Jeremy Corbyn re-election

"won't see another Labour government in my lifetime"

Here's hoping he's right because he keels over before 2020, the cunt.

 

[The39thStep]

A better comparison would have been one for which the variables are genuinely related but not through direct causation.

Like the fact that in children, shoe size is correlated with IQ. Because older children have bigger feet and higher IQ than younger children. The correlation doesn't tell you nothing, exactly, but it is obfuscating the true relationships of variables.

That's boosted my self esteem as I'm size 11.5

 

[Libertad]

That's boosted my self esteem as I'm size 11.5

I cultivate an aura of intellectual superiority by wearing flippers. Never seen without them.

 

[redsquirrel]

Not sure how a PM can govern with two thirds of their government being chosen by someone else. Perhaps they don't envisage that problem arising.

It's the shadow cabinet not the cabinet, Blair/Brown choose their cabinets.

 

[bi0boy]

It's the shadow cabinet not the cabinet, Blair/Brown choose their cabinets.

The whole point of the shadow cabinet is that it is prepared to govern. Will the 1/3rd rules be ripped up the moment an election is won?

 

[Sprocket.]

I have received a text from a trustworthy colleague saying.
Beware of phone calls purportedly from the Corbyn election team, but really from team Smith, trying to fool folk into saying something anti labour so they can be reported and their vote removed.
Anyone else heard this or is it just more twaddle?

 

[The39thStep]

Anyone read the article in the Guardian/ Observer 'the new Left don't call them Corbynistas'?

 

[two sheds]

no, was it any good?

 

[free spirit]

I have received a text from a trustworthy colleague saying.
Beware of phone calls purportedly from the Corbyn election team, but really from team Smith, trying to fool folk into saying something anti labour so they can be reported and their vote removed.
Anyone else heard this or is it just more twaddle?

I wouldn't be surprised at all if they were recording calls and reporting any members they found to be corbyn supporters who said anything remotely out of line.

I doubt they're specifically stating they're calling from the corbyn campaign.

 

[J Ed]

Ran into someone who I had last really spoken to in about 2013, one of the last conversations we had was about the Labour Party. He justified his membership in Labour to me on the basis that he was just waiting for a socialist leader, and then once one came it would be all be worth it. I asked him who he was voting for in the leadership election this time round... it was, 'agonisingly', Owen Smith. Can't make it up, can you?

 

[nino_savatte]

Ran into someone who I had last really spoken to in about 2013, one of the last conversations we had was about the Labour Party. He justified his membership in Labour to me on the basis that he was just waiting for a socialist leader, and then once one came it would be all be worth it. I asked him who he was voting for in the leadership election this time round... it was, 'agonisingly', Owen Smith. Can't make it up, can you?

 

[ska invita]

Have we had this?
Elite goes tinfoil over Momentum – Mosquito Ridge

Labour right "Infiltration" into momentum ... and forthcoming coordinated vilification programme - according to paul mason

 

[treelover]

Anyone got a screen grab of The Sunday Times article.

 

[ska invita]

Anyone got a screen grab of The Sunday Times article.

i think its this?
Spies and spreadsheets: the hard left seizes Labour
(but still could do with a screen grab)