That's actually you not understanding how shitty politics works nowadays - seeking to trap your opponent with ridiculous hypothetical situations. That you don't recognise the politics at play but instead take for reality the fantasy situation devised to spring the trap tells us a lot.
The question was designed exactly to get responses like this from people like you.
so you can't support this proposition
you think posting up a load of crap you can't support is a grand notion?
Oh for the days of empire when we fought so many famously "not stupid" wars which everyone could support. Just like the one that began a century ago. You know, the one where the UK automatically declared war on Germany for violating Belgian neutrality. That worked out well didn't it.
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you don't know who said 'jaw-jaw is better than war-war', do you you twat.
Everybody does, but better isn't always achievable, is it?
dylanredefined doesn't
It's a good point, but his stance will be savaged by his opponents, no matter how principled it is.
c4u
Very good, if spoilt a bit by letting his 'Brexit bitterness' influence it.
where? are we reading the same article?
it is good, but I really dont think the Occupy Labour/Bagheot* plan will happen...it might do, it can do, and the more desperate elements of the right in Labour may wish it to, but I dont believe they have the competence or courage to follow it through.
- though I agree with what Paul says about the press letting Owen get away with things...I though the ISIS comment would sink him, but it barely got a mention.
yes. but where was the 'jaw-jaw' before your falklands and kuwait? eh?
But who says Russia is going to do anything?
it is good, but I really dont think the Occupy Labour/Bagheot* plan will happen...it might do, it can do, and the more desperate elements of the right in Labour may wish it to, but I dont believe they have the competence or courage to follow it through.
Plus many of the resigners did so, not under duress as such, but just as good political animals looking out for whats best for their careers - following what they saw as a winning trend - rather than any deeper misgivings. In theory they should flock back to the fold. Though the lack of "resigners" officially returning to the JC camp so far (just one so far yeah?) isn't ideal - i thought more would come back by now.
Whether Occupy Labour kicks in once JC wins is also down to how much he might reshape the party in a fashion that would lock them out for good. Maybe Labour watchers can explain this to me - can the necessary redemocratising laws be passed at conference in September, swiftly after his win? What is the clause that would need repealing? How much of an effect would this really have, etc?
One final reason for Blairite silence is i think a lot of people are on holiday
* The Bagheot plan (published 2 weeks ago) was mooted months ago, cant remember who by, but probably a guardian columnist. We definitely talked about it ages ago. I dont know who Bagheot is, but he doesnt deserve any credit!
