Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[YouSir]

So what specific hoops must you jump through to be defined as a socialist in your views, just so I can be clear for the future?

Being a Socialist generally helps.

 

[Saul Goodman]

So what specific hoops must you jump through to be defined as a socialist in your views, just so I can be clear for the future?

Maybe jump through the Google hoop and type 'socialism' into the search box?

 

[free spirit]

So what specific hoops must you jump through to be defined as a socialist in your views, just so I can be clear for the future?

anyone saying this sort of thing probably isn't much of a socialist.

"I'm intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich as long as they pay their taxes"

eta to avoid confusion, that was Mandelson, the arch creator of the new labour project.

 

[brogdale]

I'm obviously too dense for this. What's your collective point?

Smith decided to join the party within a year of Kinnock's shameful betrayal of the miners and witch-hunt of socialists. He took £ to SpAd for Paul Murphy and thrived within the party under Blair/Brown.
I expect that might be behind some of the mirth caused by your naivety.

 

[Cwmflame]

anyone saying this sort of thing probably isn't much of a socialist.

I think you're missing my point

 

[Kaka Tim]

So what specific hoops must you jump through to be defined as a socialist in your views, just so I can be clear for the future?

Not being a lobbyist for a pharmecutecal corporation would be a good start. A career choice that's up there with hedge fund manager or arms dealers as a key indicator of not being a socialist.

 

[Cwmflame]

Smith decided to join the party within a year of Kinnock's shameful betrayal of the miners and witch-hunt of socialists. He took £ to SpAd for Paul Murphy and thrived within the party under Blair/Brown.
I expect that might be behind some of the mirth caused by your naivety.

I think the timings had more to do with age than party policy at the time. I joined when Blair was leader of the opposition, but at the time identified as a syndicalist (I get the hypocracy). I think if you're 16, left leaning, and want to be involved in politics you generally join the Labour Party.

 

[J Ed]

Until Corbyn I never knew that there were so many people who called themselves socialists in the Labour Party on the basis of 'socialism is what socialist parties do, and Labour is a socialist party therefore whatever I do I am a socialist'. Yet there are loads of the fuckers.

 

[Cwmflame]

Until Corbyn I never knew that there were so many people who called themselves socialists in the Labour Party on the basis of 'socialism is what socialist parties do, and Labour is a socialist party therefore whatever I do I am a socialist'. Yet there are loads of the fuckers.

There's never been a shortage of socialists in Welsh Labour.

 

[coley]

Until Corbyn I never knew that there were so many people who called themselves socialists in the Labour Party on the basis of 'socialism is what socialist parties do, and Labour is a socialist party therefore whatever I do I am a socialist'. Yet there are loads of the fuckers.

It the same old, the red rosette claims the vote, even if it's a monkey wearing it, Christ knows we are seeing just how many Neo Tories are actually in the 'labour party' people who are basically Tories but used the labour machine to get themselves to the front of the trough.

 

[Wilf]

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[coley]

There's never been a shortage of socialists in Welsh Labour.

Pity none of them put themselves forward to oppose auld Corby then!

 

[coley]

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[Wilf]

Until Corbyn I never knew that there were so many people who called themselves socialists in the Labour Party on the basis of 'socialism is what socialist parties do, and Labour is a socialist party therefore whatever I do I am a socialist'. Yet there are loads of the fuckers.

“All members of the Labour Party are socialists. Peter Mandelson is a member of the Labour Party. Peter Mandelson is a socialist".

 

[rioted]

Socialism is obviously for the intelligensia. For those who have read the right books and been certified ideologically sound by the Urban75 Central Committee. No others should be entitled to membership of the Labour Party. I'm fucking glad I don't want to join.

 

[Saul Goodman]

Socialism is obviously for the intelligensia. For those who have read the right books and been certified ideologically sound by the Urban75 Central Committee. No others should be entitled to membership of the Labour Party. I'm fucking glad I don't want to join.

I'll hazard a guess that Labour are also quite pleased.

 

[YouSir]

Socialism is obviously for the intelligensia. For those who have read the right books and been certified ideologically sound by the Urban75 Central Committee. No others should be entitled to membership of the Labour Party. I'm fucking glad I don't want to join.

Yes. That's exactly it, you've rumbled us.

 

[brogdale]

Socialism is obviously for the intelligensia. For those who have read the right books and been certified ideologically sound by the Urban75 Central Committee. No others should be entitled to membership of the Labour Party. I'm fucking glad I don't want to join.

Unlike the real thing, to which anyone can join...but they're not entitled to vote for a socialist*.


*Unless they pay £25 extra, obvs.

 

[8den]

He looks like Steptoe Snr is going to a Halloween party as Citizen Smith.

 

[redsquirrel]

So what specific hoops must you jump through to be defined as a socialist in your views, just so I can be clear for the future?

Call me mad but maybe hold the belief, and more importantly act in accordance with that belief, that the means of production should be controlled by the workers.

So supporting the growth of the private sector into the health/education/transport/postal services etc through schemes like PFI and academies (like Owen Smith) would pretty much rule you out as a socialist.

 

[Sue]

Call me mad but maybe hold the belief, and more importantly act in accordance with that belief, that the means of production should be controlled by the workers.

So supporting the growth of the private sector into the health/education/transport/postal services etc through schemes like PFI and academies (like Owen Smith) would pretty much rule you out as a socialist.

TBF, that would rule out most of the PLP over the last couple of decades too.

 

[Wilf]

Have we had this one yet?
Owen Smith: Corbyn is exploiting my former work in pharmaceuticals
Owen Smith unhappy that Corbyn mentions he used to work for pharma-biz to make him look bad. To my mind, the way round that would have been to ignore the job advert that said 'do you want to get shedloads of money working for Pharmaceutical monsters that hold the poor and sick to ransom?'

 

[Hocus Eye.]

Oh dear, this is very funny, if only it wasn't true.

 

[rioted]

Corbyn is stuck in the last century says Billy Bragg
Pity it's behind the Times paywall.

 

[DrRingDing]

Corbyn is stuck in the last century says Billy Bragg
Pity it's behind the Times paywall.

Yea, he wants to get with modern times and get himself a mansion by the sea.

 

[two sheds]

you could get a skate park on that

 

[discokermit]

Corbyn is stuck in the last century says Billy Bragg
Pity it's behind the Times paywall.

all it needs is bono and sting to join in to make this perfect.

 

[J Ed]

Corbyn is stuck in the last century says Billy Bragg
Pity it's behind the Times paywall.

The best thing about a break down in law and order in Britain would be that someone might get rid of Billy Bragg

 

[two sheds]

I cannot stand with the Labour Party though. Time and again they have betrayed us. Parliamentary poltics isn't my bag either, I'm afraid I'm one of those who favour violent revolution (there is no other sort that will work here) and the imposition of a working class led socialist state. Please don't ask me to outline the shape that such a thing would take, there are many models discussed. If pressed I would say I like what I have read about council communism. Either way the palace of westminster must burn imo

I can’t say I’m totally against a revolution but it depends on who takes over. If it’s someone like Chomsky then I’m all for it. I’m concerned though that (a) it’s not going to be ‘us’ that takes over (b) even if it is ‘us’ I’m not sure the people who take control are going to be any better.

That was what I wanted to say by asking what’s the alternative, and I have problems as I say with the adversarial urban discussions. I apologize to butchers though butchersapron. You’ve been more than fair with Corbyn and have recently explained stuff to me quite patiently, I shouldn’t have lost it with you. I’ve learned as much on politics from you as anyone on urban. Anyway, sorry.

 

[Cwmflame]

Yes. That's exactly it, you've rumbled us.

I hope the new majority is right and I'm wrong, because a decade plus of an unchecked Tory party, spurred to go further right by the likes of Ukip, will be a disaster of our own making.