Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Wilf]

clear attempt to price out the new members and corbyn supporters trot entryists. Failed. I wonder how many of the people who paid 25 quid to get around the stitch up job will claim it back? I imagine plenty will just be satisfied that the PLP right has been slapped down. Me, I'd be asking for the 25 plus interest. And compo for hurting my feelings.

I could certainly see Ian McNicol on a future episode of Judge Judy. 'The cases are real, the people are real'.

 

[rutabowa]

Some people who joined after January paid the further £25 in order to get a vote. Presume the money bit of the decision refers to them.

I joined just before the rule change, then cancelled the membership direct debit as soon as i found out and paid £25. I reckon I could end up £25 up here.

 

[Wilf]

All relevant facts here
Labour members barred from leadership ballot win right to vote

 

[butchersapron]

I joined just before the rule change, then cancelled the membership direct debit as soon as i found out and paid £25. I reckon I could end up £25 up here.

Are you one of those people who go to tk maxx buy some trousers that are too skinny return them (minus bus fare) and think you've won?

 

[DotCommunist]

I joined just before the rule change, then cancelled the membership direct debit as soon as i found out and paid £25. I reckon I could end up £25 up here.

spend it all on scratchcards

 

[Wilf]

I joined just before the rule change, then cancelled the membership direct debit as soon as i found out and paid £25. I reckon I could end up £25 up here.

Probably... but fucking hell, what kind of lawyers does the party retain, it was obvious the January 12th thing was at best dodgy. It's one thing to change the rules in order to gerrymander a result - but at least have the common sense to think it through first.

 

[Mation]

Surely, people who joined before 12 Jan were always eligible.

Yes. And now, those who joined after 12 Jan can too.

 

[Wilf]

Are you one of those people who go to tk maxx buy some trousers that are too skinny return them (minus bus fare) and think you've won?

Ian McNicol's party machine has become a rail of inaccurately sized trousers with each customer getting a random returns policy. What could possibly go wrong? 'If you get your kecks home and find the left leg is missing, send us £25 and we'll rummage round in the storeroom and see what we've got'.

 

[rutabowa]

Are you one of those people who go to tk maxx buy some trousers that are too skinny return them (minus bus fare) and think you've won?

I live within walking distance of a TK maxx so 1) any illusions I had about their good value have been destroyed and 2) no bus fare.

 

[Mation]

If that's the case then great. It is just that the reports that I've seen so far say that the judge found that the NEC decision was unlawful and that the claimants (who all paid £25 to be registered supporters) must be refunded. But it wasn't clear to me that just because the NEC decision was unlawful, they would necessarily be obliged to allow those post January members who didn't pay £25 to vote and I didn't see any mention of the judge saying that they would (since it's not applicable to the claimants who all did pay £25). For example, the Labour party could make restitution in other ways, such as by refunding the membership fees.

It wasn't the charging of £25 that was found to be unlawful. That isn't what the case was about.

What was found to be unlawful is denying a vote in the leadership election to paid-up full members of the Labour Party. So the ruling is that members must be allowed to vote.

The judge only ordered the repayment of the £25 because it shouldn't have been taken from the members who paid it.

 

[Sprocket.]

Has was pointed out at the introduction of the £25 fiasco, it amounts to selling votes.
A perfect reflection of today's democratic processes.

 

[Pickman's model]

Ian McNicol's party machine has become a rail of inaccurately sized trousers with each customer getting a random returns policy. What could possibly go wrong? 'If you get your kecks home and find the left leg is missing, send us £25 and we'll rummage round in the storeroom and see what we've got'.

there's an entire storeroom of 'sir' ian mccartney's soiled strides.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Peter noone? That's a good offer. The new album was surprisingly good. Seriously.

Transact? They have a program running stuff that just changes words in a set-piece don't they?

It's those dodgy Blairist type soundbites, slogan and alliteration that everyone's fucking sick to the stomach of raising it's ugly head again.

"Putting into practice our principles"

"We win not to trade our principles for power but to transact those principle into power. I will trade my socialist principles for noone"

Linguistically that last sentence is really interesting. Firstly he's using unvoiced plosives - which are basically "power syllables". Unvoiced means they don't resonate in the voice box - unvoiced plosives are safer to use with microphones because the voiced ones can cause serious distortion way more easily. Voiced once tend to sound more aggressive to (Bs, Ds, Gs).

The second thing that's interesting in the repetition of syllables (and therefore the necessary use of the word transact) and omission of the P on the final word. TPP,TPP, TP...N? It leaves the listener surprised, and is more likely to stick.

I bet they took a week to come up with it.

Anyway, just some loose thoughts.

 

[Wilf]

there's an entire storeroom of 'sir' ian mccartney's soiled strides.

Poor lad's had to economise after being forced to pay back £15,000 expenses.

 

[brogdale]

clear attempt to price out the new members and corbyn supporters trot entryists. Failed. I wonder how many of the people who paid 25 quid to get around the stitch up job will claim it back? I imagine plenty will just be satisfied that the PLP right has been slapped down. Me, I'd be asking for the 25 plus interest. And compo for hurting my feelings.

 

[butchersapron]

It's those dodgy Blairist type soundbites, slogan and alliteration that everyone's fucking sick to the stomach of raising it's ugly head again.

"Putting into practice our principles"

"We win not to trade our principles for power but to transact those principle into power. I will trade my socialist principles for noone"

Linguistically that last sentence is really interesting. Firstly he's using unvoiced plosives - which are basically "power syllables". Unvoiced means they don't resonate in the voice box - unvoiced plosives are safer to use with microphones because the voiced ones can cause serious distortion way more easily. Voiced once tend to sound more aggressive to (Bs, Ds, Gs).

The second thing that's interesting in the repetition and omission of the P on the final word. TPP,TPP, TP...N? It leaves the listener surprised, and is more likely to stick.

I bet they took a week to come up with it.

Anyway, just some loose thoughts.

...and it's on twitter. Which doesn't mean he's not doing that in his wind-swept meetings. If it's a part of a strategy (taking on info about the stuff you've highlighted) then we'll see this taffia endowment clown doing it in public very soon.

 

[nino_savatte]

You asked me to imagine what you mean, instead of just explaining what you mean. That doesn't make much sense.

You're still not making sense and then you try and project your daftness onto me. On your bike and take your pedantry with you.

 

[Doctor Carrot]

It's those dodgy Blairist type soundbites, slogan and alliteration that everyone's fucking sick to the stomach of raising it's ugly head again.

"Putting into practice our principles"

"We win not to trade our principles for power but to transact those principle into power. I will trade my socialist principles for noone"

Linguistically that last sentence is really interesting. Firstly he's using unvoiced plosives - which are basically "power syllables". Unvoiced means they don't resonate in the voice box - unvoiced plosives are safer to use with microphones because the voiced ones can cause serious distortion way more easily. Voiced once tend to sound more aggressive to (Bs, Ds, Gs).

The second thing that's interesting in the repetition of syllables (and therefore the necessary use of the word transact) and omission of the P on the final word. TPP,TPP, TP...N? It leaves the listener surprised, and is more likely to stick.

I bet they took a week to come up with it.

Anyway, just some loose thoughts.

Don't forget the nauseating 'not pro austerity but pro prosperity' that one seriously makes me gag.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

...and it's on twitter. Which doesn't mean he's not doing that in his wind-swept meetings. If it's a part of a strategy (taking on info about the stuff you've highlighted) then we'll see this taffia endowment clown doing it in public very soon.

I already heard him doing it at the 1st hustings with Corbyn. I'd love to give you time-stamps but it's too fucking long to sit through for a nauseating soundbites

 

[brogdale]

Don't forget the nauseating 'not pro austerity but pro prosperity' that one seriously makes me gag.

Pro pomposity, more like.

 

[butchersapron]

I already heard him doing it at the 1st hustings with Corbyn. I'd love to give you time-stamps but it's too fucking long to sit through for a nauseating soundbites

Thanks for those two posts, interesting.

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

Thanks for those two posts, interesting.

From what I remember he really starts going for it at about 32 minutes in. I'm a sadist so I whacked it on youtube to try and find a few choice cuts, but he's so annoying it'd torturous.

 

[DotCommunist]

From what I remember he really starts going for it at about 32 minutes in. I'm a sadist so I whacked it on youtube to try and find a few choice cuts, but he's so annoying it'd torturous.

all stuff straight out of the managment cult/NLP playbook is it not? Attempts to use language as a 'hacking' tool rather than just saying what you actually think and not trying to program the zombies you secretly despise etc

 

[FabricLiveBaby!]

all stuff straight out of the managment cult/NLP playbook is it not? Attempts to use language as a 'hacking' tool rather than just saying what you actually think and not trying to program the zombies you secretly despise etc

Exactly that.

butchersapron

Here's an example from the hustings with timestamp added. Jezza interrupts him much to Owen's annoyance cos he doesn't get to finish his sentence with 100% audience attention. LOL!

 

[brogdale]

all stuff straight out of the managment cult/NLP playbook is it not? Attempts to use language as a 'hacking' tool rather than just saying what you actually think and not trying to program the zombies you secretly despise etc

 

[butchersapron]

Exactly that.

butchersapron

Here's an example from the hustings with timestamp added. Jezza interrupts him much to Owen's annoyance cos he doesn't get to finish his sentence with 100% audience attention. LOL!

Ta.

 

[brogdale]

Seen estimates of the legal costs of mounting the challenge to today's ruling that go as high as £250k. They'll be using the proceeds from the registered supporters (who can vote) in an attempt to block the franchise of actual members (who they don't want voting). These people.

 

[teuchter]

You're still not making sense and then you try and project your daftness onto me. On your bike and take your pedantry with you.

I simply asked what you mean by "ordinary people". It's not pedantry, it's a very straightforward question. For some reason you can't answer it. I suspect that's because it's essentially meaningless to talk about "ordinary people".

 

[nino_savatte]

I simply asked what you mean by "ordinary people". It's not pedantry, it's a very straightforward question. For some reason you can't answer it. I suspect that's because it's essentially meaningless to talk about "ordinary people".

I think you're being an ignorant fuckwit. Goodbye.

 

[Mation]

The NEC is going to appeal. What a disgrace.