I'm sure that's right, but that amounts to 'there might just be a route for arguing they did a legal thing'. There's nothing in any of this that suggested they should try out a 6 month previous date as the freeze date, which was obviously a political choice. Even if they were to win an appeal there's nothing here that makes them look any better.It hinges on freeze dates, which have been applied retrospectively in recent selection processes (mayoral candidates etc) with no fuss at all. And then there was the stuff on the LP website, which made voting in a leadership election one of the attractions of signing up, without any mention of freeze dates - I suppose what they're thrashing out is whether the website text or the rulebook (or an interpretation of the rulebook anyway) applies.
Either way, as ever it isn't actually clear cut.
The 'moderate' meltdowns over the NEC elections are wonderful
Incidentally, what was the freeze date for full members in the Labour London Mayoral vote? I've looked round a few sites and all I found was Labour reining back on a promise to let 3 quidders sign up right till voting day. In the end they were given 12 days - which was of course shrunk to 2 days in the current shitfest.It hinges on freeze dates, which have been applied retrospectively in recent selection processes (mayoral candidates etc) with no fuss at all. And then there was the stuff on the LP website, which made voting in a leadership election one of the attractions of signing up, without any mention of freeze dates - I suppose what they're thrashing out is whether the website text or the rulebook (or an interpretation of the rulebook anyway) applies.
Either way, as ever it isn't actually clear cut.
the former is what you strive for in any writing, but especially in fiction. Make them feel. The latter is the sheer arrogance to believe you can just mould reaction by speech. It might work sometimes and I question how often thats down to social circumstances anyway. But the linguistic voodoo? get to fuck. Makes me think of freemen on the land and their inane belief that noises coming out of cake holes have any binding relevance unless you can back it up by force of armsThere's also a world of difference between writing a speech with attractive and memorable rhythm and cadence to try and keep people's attention and the murky world of advertising speak where linguistic tricks are taught at £500 seminars.
the former is what you strive for in any writing, but especially in fiction. Make them feel. The latter is the sheer arrogance to believe you can just mould reaction by speech. It might work sometimes and I question how often thats down to social circumstances anyway. But the linguistic voodoo? get to fuck. Makes me think of freemen on the land and their inane belief that noises coming out of cake holes have any binding relevance unless you can back it up by force of arms
It 'hinges on freeze dates' in so far as the whole thing is inherently about them, and then they become a specific point of argument as to reasonable interpretation. However the judgment is fundamentally about contractual expectations and whether anything afforded the NEC the opportunity to belatedly set a cutoff.It hinges on freeze dates, which have been applied retrospectively in recent selection processes (mayoral candidates etc) with no fuss at all.
This suggests full members had the right to vote right up till the 12th August i.e. it didn't create a precedent for anything like the January thing in the current election. People could join as a member, become a 3 quidder or do it via other organisations/unions all on the same day.12 august. although it's not clear when that was set (presumably not after 12 august, as the ballots were sent out on the 14th)
In fact in the London vote - link I just posted - you could join/get a vote right up till the very last logistical point in the process (when ballots were about to go out).It 'hinges on freeze dates' in so far as the whole thing is inherently about them, and then they become a specific point of argument as to reasonable interpretation. However the judgment is fundamentally about contractual expectations and whether anything afforded the NEC the opportunity to belatedly set a cutoff.
It's only because five people challenged it that we have this ruling. Presumably noone challenged previous exclusions, so hardly a sound foundation for precedent.
Also it's not clear to me that there have been prior retrospective restrictions, rather than 'prospective' as they call it, i.e. where you can't sign up after the process begins.
This time, however, I do agree that it wasn't (isn't, less sure) cut & dried.
They'll certainly need to meet to respond to the court decision. They might even go completely mad and allow the CLPs to have normal meetings.All that said, given that there are now new NEC members, perhaps they could just meet again, vote in a fixed admin period such as 2 weeks prior to ballot paper issue and set a new cut-off date accordingly. There's clear precedence for them changing the dates anyway from last year and it saves the waste of money on appeal.
... answered my own question - it is September (buried in this piece):When I was a Labour member - half a lifetime ago, thankfully - I have a vague memory they used to announce the new NEC at the conference. Have they brought the process forward now? What I'm getting at is do the newly elected bods join the NEC now or wait till September?
Yes, but other bits of the NEC might change before then - or not of course. Presumably the unions and other groups who have reps are currently going through their own elections to select their reps.I don't think anything changes til conference re: the NEC. either way, the election has only changed three members out of 30-odd. It's shifted the balance of power, but it's not exactly all change.
As I understand it, and I may be wrong, all of these dates were after the timetable was announced, so prospective, no matter how far in advance they may have been of the actual voting.Wiki says London mayoral was 12th August for 10th September vote. Originally NEC said 20th May for the freeze (<4 months), then on 17th March they extended it to June 12th (3 months)
(NEC extends deadline for supporters to register for London Mayoral Primary | LabourList). I don't know when that extended again.
oh I know its the preserve of managment cultists and rapistsThe thing is that there is no academic literature to back up any of the NLP claims, and a wealth of evidence which shows what a scam it is yet it is a very widely believed in. Councils pay for it, corporations pay their 'trainers' and 'teachers' to go on NLP courses, and then they patronise poor captive audiences of employees lower down the corporate hierarchy. What gets me is that these people who invest so much belief into NLP don't, you know, fucking google it to find out about it. How intellectually uncurious do you have to be to not do that?
oh I know its the preserve of managment cultists and rapists
don't hold out on me. I need linksThe 'moderate' meltdowns over the NEC elections are wonderful
While the Israel lobbyist/arms dealer/shit comedian have a meltdown, Corbyn takes a moment to reflect...
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oh a Roman Empire reference to look good. Problem is they have been stabbing him with rubber dagger long since march and finding to their extreme frustration that corbyn is made out of iron and cannot be slain by rubber daggers. Loving this tbf, nearly the entire plp despises what he stands for (got questions meself tbh but he's at least onside) yet nearly the entire rest of the party think C-Byn is a god. Going to court over wether your members can vote, fuck me. I'll say gold plated Corbz of iron cannot lose a leadership battle. But a house divided is never a good look and these cunts will tank a GE result rather than give ground. 60k a year before you touch expenses