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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

weltweit said:
So, no tory leader, embattled corbyn, I wonder if this situation will be resolved in a week, a month or a half year. Someone has to trigger article 50 and oversee withdrawl negotiations!
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Nobody need do any such thing. Triggering (Such an awful metaphor, how can one trigger a chapter) is the power the the UK government has over the exit process. Nobody can force them to leave the EU, I assume that whoever's in power will hang on till they've sorted out the best deal they can get.
 
Wilf said:
That's the normal thing to do when you get a challenge from stalking horses or cabinet colleagues (or, in this case, cunts). You resign and stand again, pretty much like John Major did. Trouble is, it could only end in the same outcome - depending on whether Corbyn actually gets on the ballot paper (I read on here that that's not 100% clear). Corby would win the vote, but still end up with an overwhelmingly hostile PLP. Truly astonishing state of affairs just at the moment the tories are at their weakest and we leave the EU. Labour are utterly fucked, regardless of whether there's an election this year or in 2020.
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Don't know why these bastards just don't cross the floor and have done with it, Corby has a lot of faults but he's the the nearest to a socialist leader the LP has had in donkeys.
 
So, this claimed figure from 'leaked internal polling' that 29% of 2015 Labour GE voters would not back Labour in a GE tomorrow, which is being used by the Labour right-wing and the BBC to suggest Corbyn's position is untenable.

The latest Survation poll indeed has it at 26% of Labour voters who say they wouldn't back Labour if there were a GE tomorrow.

It turns out that 30% of Conservative voters say the same about the Tory Party. 26% of UKIP voters the same about UKIP, and 40% of Lib Dem voters the same about the Lib Dems.

The venality of these Blairite reptiles and their cheerleaders in the establishment is mind-blowing and never-ending.
 
Labour rebels plan a ‘Party within a Party'

How would it work?

The vehicle for the move would be the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP), which is made up only of Labour MPs – the vast majority of whom did not vote for Mr Corbyn as leader.

The idea is for the PLP to elect a new leader, create its own shadow cabinet and effectively begin operating as a distinct Labour Party totally separate from Mr Corbyn.

Crucially, Labour rebels believe they would have control of “short money”, the public funding given to political parties for staffing and organisation.

It would create technical difficulties within Parliament, such as who leads Prime Minister’s Questions. Some experts have suggested John Bercow, the Commons Speaker, would decide who the official Opposition leader is in such circumstances.
 
If there's a leadership campaign would there be three quidders again, or just current members? That opens up the possibility of an anti JC recruitment drive, no, and I wonder if they'd be able to motivate enough people or would they be 'ineffective'?
 
Plumdaff said:
If there's a leadership campaign would there be three quidders again, or just current members? That opens up the possibility of an anti JC recruitment drive, no, and I wonder if they'd be able to motivate enough people or would they be 'ineffective'?
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Liz Kendall's Little Monsters?
 
Woke up feeling angry today. Hilary fucking Benn! Right at the moment when both Leave and Remain Tories are in chaos, when a power vacuum is emerging and being filled by nasty bigots and racists - right at that moment, the self-serving little shit decides to mount a coup.

Labour's vote held up in the locals last month; the polls prior to thursday for general election voting intention had Labour and Tory neck and neck; everyone knows that it is governments that lose elections no oppositions that win them. Then why the fuck can't we just have a united Labiur Party demand a gen election? We might have actually had that progressive exit rather than a shit one led by clowns and xenophobes.

Grrrr! :mad:
 
Because their just not interested - would rather play power games right now than work on the best ways to exploit the situation for those supposedly they represent.

It hasn't helped to change my view that I finally came to a while ago - fuck Labour. And bar an incredible miracle shifting the party substantially to the left, never again.
 
ItWillNeverWork said:
Woke up feeling angry today. Hilary fucking Benn! Right at the moment when both Leave and Remain Tories are in chaos, when a power vacuum is emerging and being filled by nasty bigots and racists - right at that moment, the self-serving little shit decides to mount a coup.

Labour's vote held up in the locals last month; the polls prior to thursday for general election voting intention had Labour and Tory neck and neck; everyone knows that it is governments that lose elections no oppositions that win them. Then why the fuck can't we just have a united Labiur Party demand a gen election? We might have actually had that progressive exit rather than a shit one led by clowns and xenophobes.

Grrrr! :mad:
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Perhaps you should read a history of the Labour party
 
Are Benn and the rest acting on a whim or have they the backing of their constituent labour members?
Their behaviour is what to expect from spoilt school children.
It is obvious that Benn didn't get a few backhanders across his face from his dad for being a spoilt, self promoting, smug get.
 
ItWillNeverWork said:
Woke up feeling angry today. Hilary fucking Benn! Right at the moment when both Leave and Remain Tories are in chaos, when a power vacuum is emerging and being filled by nasty bigots and racists - right at that moment, the self-serving little shit decides to mount a coup.

Labour's vote held up in the locals last month; the polls prior to thursday for general election voting intention had Labour and Tory neck and neck; everyone knows that it is governments that lose elections no oppositions that win them. Then why the fuck can't we just have a united Labiur Party demand a gen election? We might have actually had that progressive exit rather than a shit one led by clowns and xenophobes.

Grrrr! :mad:
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You wanted leave and slagged off anyone who said nay and now the genie is out of the bottle.

A win for the right = xenophobes and racists. Who'd have thunk it? Now you can only hope it all goes to shit enough for people to suddenly vote left. Priceless.
 
coley said:
Don't know why these bastards just don't cross the floor and have done with it, Corby has a lot of faults but he's the the nearest to a socialist leader the LP has had in donkeys.
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'These bastards' don't see any ideological need to cross the floor. In fact, they seem to truly believe the Labour party is theirs, and to be authentically outraged at what they see as a hijacking of it by the ordinary membership, whom they haven't really had to bother their well-covered arses with for a couple of decades.

Ironically that's another similarity with the party of the right - the born-to-rule sense among the higher-ups that they are there by right and that the rest of us should simply be grateful that they've deigned to preside over us.

I mean, even if we suppose Hillary Benn to be not just a scheming self-interested cunt and to actually hold a reasonably consistent set of political beliefs (whether we agree with them or not) and to be mainly concerned with trying to ensure that the Labour party has the ability to implement those beliefs - even then, what the fuck has he, a minor inconsequential part of several increasingly disliked governments, ever done to earn this sense of entitlement, this air that obviously all he has to do is step forward and beat his chest a bit and everyone will recover from this collective Jeremy delusion?
 
Mr Moose said:
You wanted leave and slagged off anyone who said nay and now the genie is out of the bottle.

A win for the right = xenophobes and racists. Who'd have thunk it? Now you can only hope it all goes to shit enough for people to suddenly vote left. Priceless.
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The genie was already out of the bottle, with EU neoliberalism (and what effects that has) being part of the fuelling of the far-right and then populist right. And why we've seen once strong Labour heartlands of working class people, screwed over by our own politics and economics but also the EU. The disgraceful use of xenophobia in the referendum has bought that to the fore here too, but remain or leave, this stuff was already there and there has been cracks and divides forming over many years. You liberals still don't get it, do you.
 
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billy_bob said:
'These bastards' don't see any ideological need to cross the floor. In fact, they seem to truly believe the Labour party is theirs, and to be authentically outraged at what they see as a hijacking of it by the ordinary membership, whom they haven't really had to bother their well-covered arses with for a couple of decades.

Ironically that's another similarity with the party of the right - the born-to-rule sense among the higher-ups that they are there by right and that the rest of us should simply be grateful that they've deigned to preside over us.

I mean, even if we suppose Hillary Benn to be not just a scheming self-interested cunt and to actually hold a reasonably consistent set of political beliefs (whether we agree with them or not) and to be mainly concerned with trying to ensure that the Labour party has the ability to implement those beliefs - even then, what the fuck has he, a minor inconsequential part of several increasingly disliked governments, ever done to earn this sense of entitlement, this air that obviously all he has to do is step forward and beat his chest a bit and everyone will recover from this collective Jeremy delusion?
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Dont you know who my dad is?
 
stethoscope said:
The genie was already out of the bottle, with EU neoliberalism (and what effects that has) being part of the fuelling of the far-right and then populist right.
And why we've seen once strong Labour heartlands of working class people, screwed over by our own politics and economics but also the EU. The disgraceful use of xenophobia in the referendum has bought that to the fore here too, but remain or leave, this stuff was already there and there has been cracks and divides forming over many years. You liberals still don't get it, do you.
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And they'll shortly be in power in government and are getting more bold on the street, the genie is out of the bottle now alright, and has been given legitimacy by the leave vote.
 
Mr Moose said:
You wanted leave and slagged off anyone who said nay and now the genie is out of the bottle.

A win for the right = xenophobes and racists. Who'd have thunk it? Now you can only hope it all goes to shit enough for people to suddenly vote left. Priceless.
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Its the New Labour philosophy and the continued destruction of the trade unions that has led us here. Free movement wouldn't be a problem if migrant workers had equal rights and all workplaces were properly represented by organisd Labour.

The EU is the institutionalization of that philosophy, and that the rise of UKIP is precisely because of it. The EU had to go because it offers no protection against attacks on us from the the right. Quite the opposite, it fosters those forces and when it feels it is powerful enough relative to some opposing force it crushes them.

This is out chance. I apologize not one jot for voting Leave. We will win despite the blairites.
 
stethoscope said:
The genie was already out of the bottle, with EU neoliberalism (and what effects that has) being part of the fuelling of the far-right and then populist right. And why we've seen once strong Labour heartlands of working class people, screwed over by our own politics and economics but also the EU. The disgraceful use of xenophobia in the referendum has bought that to the fore here too, but remain or leave, this stuff was already there and there has been cracks and divides forming over many years. You liberals still don't get it, do you.
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What people "Dont get" is how giving support and empowerment to a vote that was based on xenophobia and racism helps any, to an exit that the Tories are best positioned to sculpt in their form will help any, to an exit that has the potential to further empoverish the poor and deepen neoliberalism will help any. I totally understand why people dont get that.

Personally I can see the subtleties of the lexit argument and the need to kick the beehive in the hope it splits into something better, but dont be surprised that people dont think thats a wise idea. Especially people already getting stung by the consequences.
 
sleaterkinney said:
And they'll shortly be in power in government and are getting more bold on the street, the genie is out of the bottle now alright, and has been given legitimacy by the leave vote.
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Boldness means fuck all because the far right are still outnumbered. 17 million voted leave; most have said immigration was not their main concern; only 3.8 million voted UKIP; half of them just did it as protest and could be brought back into the Labour fold. So there are maybe 14-15 million non-racist Leave voters out thers. And we're still being ignored. The fight will go on though.
 
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