Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

could they in theory just continously challenge him again and again, or is there some limit on it?

At some point even that lot would realise how stupid they were making themselves look. So maybe four or five more goes.

 

[Raheem]

could they in theory just continously challenge him again and again, or is there some limit on it?

Think it's once a year, according to the rules.

 

[andysays]

recall isn't available, only deselection - and I'm not sure it makes much tactical sense deselecting so far in advance of an election. all the deselected MPs would still be in parliament, just not on the labour benches - with more time to position themselves as a 'credible alternative' type parry.

All that is true, I'm simply pointing out the contrast in how Labour party internal democracy works.

And if tactical sense is the primary concern, repeatedly fighting battles over the leadership doesn't make much either, if your objective is actually to be an effective opposition with a decent chance of fighting the next GE effectively.

 

[andysays]

Think it's once a year, according to the rules.

It's less than a year since he was elected

 

[J Ed]

peadophile. Thats what they will be gagging to throw.

We have already had that, or at least we've had the 'he ignored/helped cover up paedophilia'

 

[Raheem]

It's less than a year since he was elected

And he's been challenged once.

 

[Pickman's model]

Think it's once a year, according to the rules.

the rules? we don't need no stinking rules

 

[nino_savatte]

Steve McCabe is a minor presence on the Labour backbenches, but he's just as contemptuous of people in poverty as the rest of the Blairites/Blue Labourites/whatever. Check out this Tweet.

 

[redsquirrel]

Christ, not even smart enough to even try and hide it

 

[killer b]

All that is true, I'm simply pointing out the contrast in how Labour party internal democracy works.

And if tactical sense is the primary concern, repeatedly fighting battles over the leadership doesn't make much either, if your objective is actually to be an effective opposition with a decent chance of fighting the next GE effectively.

For all their talk, I can't see this repeated challenge idea taking hold.

 

[nino_savatte]

McCabe's just blocked me for quoting his Tweet.

 

[inva]

For all their talk, I can't see this repeated challenge idea taking hold.

I think that's right, it would surely mean pressing the self destruct button and I doubt many outside of the fringe would contemplate that.

 

[Artaxerxes]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't SWP have in the region of 6000 members?

Is there really a secretive mass cabal of socialists hiding within the UK, just waiting to overthrow the establishment?

 

[AnnaKarpik]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't SWP have in the region of 6000 members?

Is there really a secretive mass cabal of socialists hiding within the UK, just waiting to overthrow the establishment?

What, didn't you get your invite?

 

[Artaxerxes]

What, didn't you get your invite?

No, I'm really fucking annoyed. I want a secret handshake and to weasel my way into a secure unionised job with no effort.

 

[maomao]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't SWP have in the region of 6000 members?

Far less than that especially since it became nothing but a rape apologist cult.

 

[butchersapron]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't SWP have in the region of 6000 members?

Is there really a secretive mass cabal of socialists hiding within the UK, just waiting to overthrow the establishment?

Where on earth did you get that figure from?

 

[Artaxerxes]

Where on earth did you get that figure from?

Google search, it was the closest I could find to a legible result seeing as no other site seemed to give actual figures

 

[YouSir]

Where on earth did you get that figure from?

The fervent imagination of an SWP paper seller.

 

[YouSir]

On a side note, whatever the official SWP estimate of their membership is you could knock 75℅ off for people who don't know they're in it or don't want to be.

 

[AnnaKarpik]

No, I'm really fucking annoyed. I want a secret handshake and to weasel my way into a secure unionised job with no effort.

I'll see what I can do, comrade

 

[Tankus]

And me..!

 

[butchersapron]

***outdated figures***

 

[Fez909]

recall isn't available, only deselection - and I'm not sure it makes much tactical sense deselecting so far in advance of an election. all the deselected MPs would still be in parliament, just not on the labour benches - with more time to position themselves as a 'credible alternative' type parry.

Not sure I agree.

If you deselect a handful, then the rest will fall in line. You wouldn't need to do anything with most of the 172. Their careers are dependent on being in the Labour party. And sitting on the opposition benches for decades collecting an MPs salary for simply having a rose next to your name on the ballot is a pretty cushy number. Why risk that?

 

[newbie]

Makes me wonder how that compares with other fringe parties that don't have parliamentary representation (whether they want it or not). So ignoring obviously bigger outfits like Ukip and Greens, are there any other parties on left or right with that many members?

 

[chilango]

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't SWP have in the region of 6000 members?

Is there really a secretive mass cabal of socialists hiding within the UK, just waiting to overthrow the establishment?

Knock a zero off that and you'd be closer these days.

 

[killer b]

Not sure I agree.

If you deselect a handful, then the rest will fall in line. You wouldn't need to do anything with most of the 172. Their careers are dependent on being in the Labour party. And sitting on the opposition benches for decades collecting an MPs salary for simply having a rose next to your name on the ballot is a pretty cushy number. Why risk that?

They won't even need to do that: if conference manages to push through a decent deselection trigger, they'll mostly fall into line. Hence, conference is going to be very bloody this year...

 

[Rob Ray]

Guardian Liveblog's Libby Brooks expressing befuddlement today that after all the coup plotters' efforts Corbyn's reputation has actually improved.

It may well be the case that Corbyn’s approval ratings have gone up precisely because he is perceived at war with his MPs. If so, this suggests that Labour’s attempt to find a leader acceptable to both members and its MPs could be doomed to failure.

Yeah it's weird, almost as though behaving like a bunch of unprincipled bullying shits, nominating useless opponents and challenging Corbyn in a way that was guaranteed to make him look like a tough guy somehow backfired. Who knew.

 

[J Ed]

Yes, Jeremy Corbyn has suffered a bad press, but where's the harm?

So what if we are sabotaging Corbyn, you stupid plebs

 

[newbie]

They won't even need to do that: if conference manages to push through a decent deselection trigger, they'll mostly fall into line. Hence, conference is going to be very bloody this year...

that reminds me, the party conference wasn't in the timetable posted above, which ends on Saturday 24 September — Special conference to announce result. When is it, are they going to have two?