Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[newbie]

Isn't paying £25 quid buying a vote, anyway?

dems de roolz and anyway paying to participate was accepted last time.

If Progress wants to pay for for people to vote any way they please we can all happily take them up on it. If they'll only pay for those who vote their way they're attempting to buy the election. The same has to be true of Momentum.

 

[Rob Ray]

For fuck's sake. I coughed up however much it was to join Labour, found out I couldn't vote, then coughed up some more to join Unite, and now I find out I still can't vote. Wankers.

You may as well get stuck in to organising with the union then.

 

[butchersapron]

For fuck's sake. I coughed up however much it was to join Labour, found out I couldn't vote, then coughed up some more to join Unite, and now I find out I still can't vote. Wankers.

Thread over.

 

[Lord Camomile]

Smith - and anyone else, thinking of you andy - has ages to get his noms in. Does anyone know if each MP is only allowed a single nomination? I know they have to do a proper letter and actually turn up to conference, but does that mean there's a limited supply? Suddenly become more valuable if so.

I was wondering that too, as presumably if you need 20% of the PLP and everyone only gets one nom that limits the number of candidates to a max of five?

Not that that would ever make much difference, I suppose.

 

[Casually Red]

Looks like the Labour NEC have banned newly joined union affiliates from voting. Twenty five quid or nothing.

Blimey

Why don't they just get a big sign that says " fuck off low paid and benefits scum " . Actually a poster campaign, billboards, with Jeremy Kyle. They clearly don't have a problem with new members signing up to vote. The only problem they have is with those members levels of disposable income.
It's like means testing for voting rights .

 

[butchersapron]

I was wondering that too, as presumably if you need 20% of the PLP and everyone only gets one nom that limits the number of candidates to a max of five?

Not that that would ever make much difference, I suppose.

I could see that being both a help and a hinderance - lots of quick, sign this vs lots of not yet.

 

[gawkrodger]

Looks like the Labour NEC have banned newly joined union affiliates from voting. Twenty five quid or nothing.

Blimey

Won't these changes block the entirety of the FBU?

 

[killer b]

Fairly sure it's one nom per MP - certainly has been in the past anyway.

 

[danny la rouge]

Smith - and anyone else, thinking of you andy - has ages to get his noms in. Does anyone know if each MP is only allowed a single nomination? I know they have to do a proper letter and actually turn up to conference, but does that mean there's a limited supply? Suddenly become more valuable if so.

I had assumed they could nominate more than one, but were unlikely to. But I'm not sure how I formed that idea.

 

[nuffsaid]

With a first past the post system, splitters, not able to take the Labour Party name, will be annihilated. I was reading somewhere (maybe on here) yesterday that the first past the post system means that 'entryism' is the only way to gain a viable change to party direction. So unless they want to jump ship and join the LibDem rubber dinghy they're going to have to put up or bugger off entirely.

(meant as areply to SpookyFrank on the previous page, but postings are happening quicker than Tory MPs being sacked).

 

[andysays]

Smith - and anyone else, thinking of you andy - has ages to get his noms in. Does anyone know if each MP is only allowed a single nomination? I know they have to do a proper letter and actually turn up to conference, but does that mean there's a limited supply? Suddenly become more valuable if so.

Has to be this surely? The same person can't nominate Eagle and then Smith/Burnham/whoever.

As I understand it it's MEPs as well who can nominate, so a slightly larger supply, but still limited.

 

[JimW]

Fairly sure it's one nom per MP ...

Fnaar fnaar

 

[butchersapron]

I had assumed they could nominate more than one, but were unlikely to. But I'm not sure how I formed that idea.

I read through the 2016 rulebook yesterday but can't remember what it said on this - if it said anything at all. Can't face looking at it again today. As with all things it has a NEC does what it wants proviso anyway.

 

[butchersapron]

Has to be this surely? The same person can't nominate Eagle and then Smith/Burnham/whoever.

As I understand it it's MEPs as well who can nominate, so a slightly larger supply, but still limited.

Yes, anything else doesn't really make much sense. So, what's the price?

 

[DotCommunist]

With a first past the post system, splitters, not able to take the Labour Party name, will be annihilated. I was reading somewhere (maybe on here) yesterday that the first past the post system means that 'entryism' is the only way to gain a viable change to party direction. So unless they want to jump ship and join the LibDem rubber dinghy they're going to have to put up or bugger off entirely.

(meant as areply to SpookyFrank on the previous page, but postings are happening quicker than Tory MPs being sacked).

lib dems actually were a third force once. Difficult to believe I know. Dogshit politics, years of work. Apparently they were devious shits at a local level back then as well, no tactic to low. Clegg and the orange booker crew pissed it all up the wall for a sniff of the big chair.

 

[Monkeygrinder's Organ]

They'll probably just try and change the rules of elections so that it's not longer who gets the most votes, but who really feels like they ought to be in power.

Then still be baffled to find themselves totally stuffed by the Tories.

 

[nuffsaid]

lib dems actually were a third force once. Difficult to believe I know. Dogshit politics, years of work. Apparently they were devious shits at a local level back then as well, no tactic to low. Clegg and the orange booker crew pissed it all up the wall for a sniff of the big chair.

Indeed. It is amazing, I lived in a solid LibDem constituency for years, the local MP was well liked, Norman Baker, I even got his book on the David Kelly murder - er death I mean. Hard to think they've blown it. But I can't see where else the PLP members against Corbyn will go. They are doomed if they refuse to work with him. And I really can't see him losing the leadership battle.

Maybe they'll be happy on the back benches taking an MP's salary, until the next election, then they're off to the jobcentre for sure.

 

[andysays]

Yes, anything else doesn't really make much sense. So, what's the price?

Depends on how easy the potential candidates find it to get enough nominations, I guess.

The horse trading would really only start in earnest when they get close to the magic number. But the price is also related to the candidate's perceived chance of actually winning and being able to deliver on their end of the deal.

I have a vague recollection of something along these lines happening before (can't remember when, what party) where how many backers each possible candidate had/still needed was being discussed and speculation on how/who they might make up the last few they needed. Something to look forward to this time..?

 

[belboid]

Smith - and anyone else, thinking of you andy - has ages to get his noms in. Does anyone know if each MP is only allowed a single nomination? I know they have to do a proper letter and actually turn up to conference, but does that mean there's a limited supply? Suddenly become more valuable if so.

They dont have to turn up to conference or owt. PLP & EPLP members nominations open on the 18th and close on the 20th, one member, one nomination.

 

[butchersapron]

They dont have to turn up to conference or owt. PLP & EPLP members nominations open on the 18th and close on the 20th, one member, one nomination.

Rulebook says:

vi. Nominees who do not attend the relevant
Party conference shall be deemed to have
withdrawn their nominations, unless they
send to the General Secretary – on or before
the day on which the conference opens – an
explanation in writing of their absence
satisfactory to the CAC

is a nominee the candidate? If so, that's where my confusion came from on this. See also iv.

 

[Casually Red]

Indeed. It is amazing, I lived in a solid LibDem constituency for years, the local MP was well liked, Norman Baker, I even got his book on the David Kelly murder - er death I mean. Hard to think they've blown it. But I can't see where else the PLP members against Corbyn will go. They are doomed if they refuse to work with him. And I really can't see him losing the leadership battle.

Maybe they'll be happy on the back benches taking an MP's salary, until the next election, then they're off to the jobcentre for sure.

They're so full of self importance they might try and reinvent the wheel . Thinking they can steal the Lib Dems clothes as well as the " proper" modern labour vibe . They believe they have a future that'd be better served if they could ditch the corbyny rabble once and for all. A new political party is not all that unlikely. They've got the seats, the spin doctors and pr men . All the media and business connections. I really wouldn't rule that out.
Needless to say its a disaster in the making and theyre remnants would be going cap in hand to the lib deems in a few years time seeking to merge . Like the SDP before them .

 

[belboid]

Rulebook says:

vi. Nominees who do not attend the relevant
Party conference shall be deemed to have
withdrawn their nominations, unless they
send to the General Secretary – on or before
the day on which the conference opens – an
explanation in writing of their absence
satisfactory to the CAC

is a nominee the candidate? If so, that's where my confusion came from on this. See also iv.

Yeah, tho they are getting around that as well by having the nominees confirm they accept the nomination (on the 21st) and only then formally opening the contest.

 

[two sheds]

For fuck's sake. I coughed up however much it was to join Labour, found out I couldn't vote, then coughed up some more to join Unite, and now I find out I still can't vote. Wankers.

It's all been an incredibly successful ploy to get people to join Labour, Momentum and a union. I can't think of any other way they'd have had this many people join.

And I've been meaning to join a union for a long time, on a personal level I don't care whether I can vote or not.

 

[rutabowa]

lib dems actually were a third force once. Difficult to believe I know. Dogshit politics, years of work. Apparently they were devious shits at a local level back then as well, no tactic to low. Clegg and the orange booker crew pissed it all up the wall for a sniff of the big chair.

 

[Pickman's model]

6000 replies. Hash tag must be proud.

 

[DotCommunist]

#proud

 

[Pickman's model]

Indeed. It is amazing, I lived in a solid LibDem constituency for years, the local MP was well liked, Norman Baker, I even got his book on the David Kelly murder - er death I mean. Hard to think they've blown it. But I can't see where else the PLP members against Corbyn will go. They are doomed if they refuse to work with him. And I really can't see him losing the leadership battle.

Maybe they'll be happy on the back benches taking an MP's salary, until the next election, then they're off to the jobcentre for sure.

Yeh. Like any of them would be eligible for benefits anyway

 

[Pickman's model]

#proud

Yeh. Or at least he would be if it was such a bloody awful op and thread title.

 

[DotCommunist]

it'll be calling in favours to get cushy non-actual-work positions with whoever they have shilled for hardest.

still, if (and with this stitch up job I am uncertain) corbyn does get back in tho it means we get to see real blairite anguish for a second time. Fixed expressions while the cameras are on. Only thisw time round it might be tears. They won't have a third shake of the dice.

 

[MochaSoul]

For fuck's sake. I coughed up however much it was to join Labour, found out I couldn't vote, then coughed up some more to join Unite, and now I find out I still can't vote. Wankers.

Maybe, I'm too relaxed but I'm not that worried. Without the £3 voters, Corbyn would have won last year by 80 thousand or something along those lines. I grant that a lot of those may have switched sides but I reckon that a lot more of others will have joined the party just so as to help make the voices of the membership heard.