Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[MochaSoul]

At this point I hope Labour does split so the right wing with their zero grassroots support and zero public credibility can be annihilated at a general election. Maybe then they'll get the message, but then again maybe not. They'll probably just try and change the rules of elections so that it's not longer who gets the most votes, but who really feels like they ought to be in power.

I don't think there's much chance of that. They all clapped the other day when Kinnock proclaimed "It's our party, dammit!".

 

[Doctor Carrot]

 

[MochaSoul]

 

[mk12]

I'll just leave this here...

"The Labour Party should change its leader before the next election":
Agree: 66% (+24)
Disagree: 25% (-6)
(via Ipsos Mori)
Chgs. from Oct 15

 

[Cid]

Bit weak without comparison to other leaders/leading figures surely?

 

[two sheds]

I'll just leave this here...

"The Labour Party should change its leader before the next election":
Agree: 66% (+24)
Disagree: 25% (-6)
(via Ipsos Mori)
Chgs. from Oct 15

Who were they asking?

And we've had a relentless press campaign against him, remember.

 

[gosub]

Labour leadership: Smith 'wants referendum on EU deal' - Labour leadership: Smith 'wants referendum on EU deal' - BBC News The problem with that is if you don't take what's agreed you can only get a worse deal (though one more likely to be able to address immigration)

 

[Lord Camomile]

I'll just leave this here...

"The Labour Party should change its leader before the next election":
Agree: 66% (+24)
Disagree: 25% (-6)
(via Ipsos Mori)
Chgs. from Oct 15

What about the other 9%?

 

[Sifta]

Labour leadership: Smith 'wants referendum on EU deal' - Labour leadership: Smith 'wants referendum on EU deal' - BBC News The problem with that is if you don't take what's agreed you can only get a worse deal (though one more likely to be able to address immigration)

With Smith's desired result being assured by charging £25 a vote

 

[Raheem]

Labour leadership: Smith 'wants referendum on EU deal' - Labour leadership: Smith 'wants referendum on EU deal' - BBC News The problem with that is if you don't take what's agreed you can only get a worse deal (though one more likely to be able to address immigration)

That depends on how the process goes. If the other 27 stick to a50 being irreversible and no pre-talks, there's not much point in a referendum anyway.

Even though I think what he's talking about is more-or-less inevitable and the right thing, it's pretty stupid IMO to let the Tories off the hook by making it the Labour platform.

 

[MochaSoul]

Bit weak without comparison to other leaders/leading figures surely?

Full report here:
http://www.lse.ac.uk/media@lse/research/pdf/JeremyCorbyn/Cobyn-Report-FINAL.pdf

 

[J Ed]

Fairly sure it's one nom per MP - certainly has been in the past anyway.

David Miliband gave Diane Abbot his nomination, didn't he?

 

[gosub]

That depends on how the process goes. If the other 27 stick to a50 being irreversible and no pre-talks, there's not much point in a referendum anyway.

Even though I think what he's talking about is more-or-less inevitable and the right thing, it's pretty stupid IMO to let the Tories off the hook by making it the Labour platform.

We are at least 3 years from a EUropean treaty change that could possibly alter article 50 mechanism. Get with reality.
Government should however take parliament with it on the renegotiation process say a day every 3months to add input

 

[Raheem]

We are at least 3 years from a EUropean treaty change that could possibly alter article 50 mechanism. Get with reality.
Government should however take parliament with it on the renegotiation process say a day every 3months to add input

Altering the mechanism doesn't need treaty change, but it needs unanimity in the council of ministers.

 

[gosub]

Altering the mechanism doesn't need treaty change, but it needs unanimity in the council of ministers.

So you think you can change the wording of a treaty without changing a treaty
And it impacts on Commission so under Vienna rules you need them on board and probably EUropean parliament

 

[not-bono-ever]

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[butchersapron]

That depends on how the process goes. If the other 27 stick to a50 being irreversible and no pre-talks, there's not much point in a referendum anyway.

Even though I think what he's talking about is more-or-less inevitable and the right thing, it's pretty stupid IMO to let the Tories off the hook by making it the Labour platform.

They must do, being a democratic body.

 

[Raheem]

So you think you can change the wording of a treaty without changing a treaty
And it impacts on Commission so under Vienna rules you need them on board and probably EUropean parliament

They wouldn't be amending the treaty, just being flexible with the UK. AFAIK, it wouldn't give rise to any further complications. But, at the moment, there is unanimity to not be flexible.

 

[ItWillNeverWork]

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[discokermit]

You may as well get stuck in to organising with the union then.

i tried that. '88. got sacked. the place is now rubble.
tried again in the early nineties. got sacked. the place is now rubble.
tried again in the mid nineties. got sacked.
gave it a rest til two thousand and twelve. got sacked. place now empty.
everytime the unions coffers got bigger, me and my mates ended up without jobs, union fulltimers shrugged.

 

[Rob Ray]

i tried that. '88. got sacked. the place is now rubble.
tried again in the early nineties. got sacked. the place is now rubble.
tried again in the mid nineties. got sacked.
gave it a rest til two thousand and twelve. got sacked. place now empty.
everytime the unions coffers got bigger, me and my mates ended up without jobs, union fulltimers shrugged.

Jesus sounds like you were put through the mill . If it's any consolation a lot of union coffers now are a lot smaller than they used to be, in part because their fulltimers kept shrugging. That's all part of a much bigger conversation about organising and work mind, which my glib one-liner would be a bit unsuited for .

 

[MochaSoul]

Mark Steel: Corbyn's supporters took over Labour before they were even born

Eagle he claims she could win a general election – and to be fair she might have a slight chance, as long as she’s allowed to keep all the other parties off the ballot paper. She does have a gift for explaining her ideas, after all. Asked on the Today programme why she voted for the Iraq war, she said “I’m a Northern working class girl who understands the nuances of modern life.”

That put the Chilcot report in its place. It was all very well Sir John writing millions of words about weapons inspectors and UN resolutions, but instead of that waffle he should have asked everyone if they were from the North. Tomorrow she’ll be asked, “Why are you in favour of Trident?” and her answer will be “I’ve been to Manchester and understand the rules of table tennis.”

The majority of Labour MPs say they have to overthrow Corbyn, because he “sits in his office and doesn’t reach out to anyone.” He was cheered by tens of thousands at last week’s gala in Durham, and attracted crowds of several thousand during the first leadership contest, but that doesn’t count as anyone compared to Angela ‘U2’ Eagle, or Owen ‘crash the website as soon as tickets go on sale’ Smith. Neither can they go out of the house without facing hordes of fans screaming “we love the way you abstain on Tory bills to cut welfare” and demanding selfies.

 

[chilango]

Why don't they just get a big sign that says " fuck off low paid and benefits scum " .

They've got one. It's called their record when in power. Doesn't get much clearer than thst.

 

[chilango]

As for fptp and splinters....no reason why the system couldn't accommodate another party. It has before.

 

[steveo87]

i tried that. '88. got sacked. the place is now rubble.
tried again in the early nineties. got sacked. the place is now rubble.
tried again in the mid nineties. got sacked.
gave it a rest til two thousand and twelve. got sacked. place now empty.
everytime the unions coffers got bigger, me and my mates ended up without jobs, union fulltimers shrugged.

....did you blow them up?

 

[discokermit]

....did you blow them up?

management did.

 

[Whagwan]

Turns out the "prominent journalist" sending "intimidating" text messages was Owen Jones.

Check the intimidation out!

 

[Pickman's model]

Turns out the "prominent journalist" sending "intimidating" text messages was Owen Jones.

Check the intimidation out!

fuck knows how they'd cope if people were proper intimidating to them

 

[mauvais]

Turns out the "prominent journalist" sending "intimidating" text messages was Owen Jones.

Check the intimidation out!

It's kind of brick shaped.

 

[emanymton]

Turns out the "prominent journalist" sending "intimidating" text messages was Owen Jones.

Check the intimidation out!

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