Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[belboid]

Bit broader than that. Unwaged, pensioners etc. Also, I know people who are working, in other unions and have still signed up to it.

Its for those 'not in paid employment; a student, carer, retired or unemployed' - 'If a member finds paid work after joining Unite Community, they will either transfer onto the full Unite membership rate or be advised to join the appropriate union if the work is not in an area covered by Unite' - so joining up whilst in work is a little naughty. But fuck it, do it anyway

 

[rutabowa]

I don't know. I'm asking.

yeah i know! I was just answering for me personally.

 

[chilango]

Its for those 'not in paid employment; a student, carer, retired or unemployed' - 'If a member finds paid work after joining Unite Community, they will either transfer onto the full Unite membership rate or be advised to join the appropriate union if the work is not in an area covered by Unite' - so joining up whilst in work is a little naughty. But fuck it, do it anyway

If you join another union for work, you can still maintain your Unite Community Membership and continue campaigning for a better society within your community group

 

[chilango]

yeah i know! I was just answering for me personally.

Ah. Ok.

 

[YouSir]

I'm not sure, but I suspect the new NEC only comes in at the Conference in September.

Ah well, worth a thought. Either way, a better NEC can only be helpful once the fallout comes.

 

[Wilf]

Its for those 'not in paid employment; a student, carer, retired or unemployed' - 'If a member finds paid work after joining Unite Community, they will either transfer onto the full Unite membership rate or be advised to join the appropriate union if the work is not in an area covered by Unite' - so joining up whilst in work is a little naughty. But fuck it, do it anyway

Cheers, I was just looking for that definition.

 

[billy_bob]

If/when he wins, most of them will come crawling back. It's a minority of wreckers, the rest just joined in because they thought they could see which way things were going and wanted it over quickly, I think.

Maybe happening already. From an internal source* so I don't know if it's in the public domain but apparently several of the shadow cabinet resigners are now talking about regretting a hasty decision. Nandy was mentioned but also that it wasn't just her.

Many of the shadow cabinet even before the mass resignation were relatively politically inexperienced, of course, so it wouldn't be that surprising. I'd hope most of them would be welcomed back with open arms - better to have them on side again, with what might be a chastened but more courageous sense of loyalty in light of the reprieve they've been given. Not all of them though - Benn should fuck right off.

*that's not a euphemism for 'me' - I'm not a member

 

[Cid]

This article (Mandy crying over spilt long-term members) puts membership at 370,000 in December - about double what it was when Ed lead. In August 2015 270,000, with many joining immediately after the election.

Looking at the results quimmy posted:

Not sure of membership figures at the exact point of the election but at most 310,000. I think the more important figure is the level of membership support since the Iraq war anyway (TB had a brief high point of 380k) which levelled out around 180-190k. Basically, even if all the gerrymandering holds, Corbyn looks likely to win.

e2a: member vote about equal between Corbyn/not Corbyn at that point. Can they really muster up that many more? Especially in the context of at least 60,000 eligible new members since then (and possibly some deserting old ones).

 

[butchersapron]

Maybe happening already. From an internal source* so I don't know if it's in the public domain but apparently several of the shadow cabinet resigners are now talking about regretting a hasty decision. Nandy was mentioned but also that it wasn't just her.

Many of the shadow cabinet even before the mass resignation were relatively politically inexperienced, of course, so it wouldn't be that surprising. I'd hope most of them would be welcomed back with open arms - better to have them on side again, with what might be a chastened but more courageous sense of loyalty in light of the reprieve they've been given. Not all of them though - Benn should fuck right off.

*that's not a euphemism for 'me' - I'm not a member

Welcomed back with open arms? Let back in on punitive terms you mean?

 

[Wilf]

Angela Eagle has urged Labour supporters to "save" the party, and "heal" the country by signing up to remove leader Jeremy Corbyn.

Ms Eagle has pleaded with opponents of Mr Corbyn to pay the increased £25 fee to challenge his leadership.

Speaking to the BBC, she said: "I would say to the nine million Labour voters out there, there's two days next week when you can actually pay £25, help save the Labour Party, make our democracy work and help me heal our country. Join as a registered supporter.

"Join us in this battle, let us win the Labour Party back", she added.

Ms Eagle also said the membership fee was "pretty good investment for the whole future of democracy".

Here's Eagle encouraging people to pay the £25 (ITV website). Interesting that she's left grubbing about trying to recruit 25 quidders after she and her ilk have spent months deriding the 3 quidders. And because of the machinations last night, she can't actually put out an appeal for people to join the party. Squalid.

 

[billy_bob]

Welcomed back with open arms? Let back in on punitive terms you mean?

With that phrase I was thinking more about how it looks from the outside. No doubt there'd (need to) be some agreements reached behind closed doors beforehand.

 

[YouSir]

Welcomed back with open arms? Let back in on punitive terms you mean?

A finger from each of them? Works for the Yakuza.

 

[DotCommunist]

so becoming unite community union member gets you a vote in the leadership for sure? how did they leave that one open. I take back the stalinist comment. He was more efficient.

several of the shadow cabinet resigners are now talking about regretting a hasty decision

must be galling to realise that no, the sun does not shine out of your arse and wining elections using a well oiled machine in safe seats does not make you fucking machiavelli

 

[gosub]

josef stalin approves tho

Does he work in advertising standards now?

 

[Wilf]

The new economics:

£3 - Militant Tendency wreckers
£25 - decent Labour People

 

[Kaka Tim]

Someone mentioned that they will keep on making leadership challengers until corbyn goes. Can they really do that? Would there be a majority in the PLP for such a move? Couldn't they be expelled/deselected for such malicious action - effectively deliberately sabotaging the party?
Its clearly a fight to the death and the Blairites will do anything to stop the membership and corbyn - but is this a realistic scenario?

 

[butchersapron]

A finger from each of them? Works for the Yakuza.

And each one needs to do it to another pentito.

 

[billy_bob]

The new economics:

£3 - Militant Tendency wreckers
£25 - decent Labour People

Sounds ok to me. I fucking hate decent people and I'm sick of hearing about them.

 

[kavenism]

Got an email from my local CLP branch secretary. Says she is in the dark regarding cancellation of meetings however she is aware that some MPs are lobbying for it. Official leadership hustings period does not open until July 22nd so that is not a good excuse if that's the one they're peddling.

 

[Libertad]

New members can vote on NEC election, so vote in Corbyn supporting candidates and there's time yet to revert back to proper voting rules.

Due to the suspension of all CLP activities the membership will find it difficult to organise new NEC lists. Perhaps that's why the NEC have mandated this cessation of all perfidious local party democracy.

 

[treelover]

For final clarification Unite Community is for unwaged, unemployed, sick and disabled, retired, students, etc. You are entitled to vote and the emails giving details will go out when the process begins

From UC Officers.

 

[Sprocket.]

Due to the suspension of all CLP activities the membership will find it difficult to organise new NEC lists. Perhaps that's why the NEC have mandated this cessation of all perfidious local party democracy.

Ah, the old stick in the spokes ploy?

 

[DotCommunist]

Decimation (Roman army) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[butchersapron]

For final clarification Unite Community is for unwaged, unemployed, sick and disabled, retired, students, etc. You are entitled to vote and the emails giving details will go out when the process begins

From UC Officers.

Entitled to vote from what membership date? That doesn't clarify about new members or relatively new members at all.

 

[lazythursday]

One little tip for people not in affiliated unions / not a member long enough - join the Hebden Bridge Trades Club, affiliated to the party as part of the National Union of Labour and Socialist Clubs. Members got a vote last time. Obviously there are other affiliated Labour clubs (though surprisingly few these days) but the Trades lets you join online and you might even fancy going to a (discounted) gig afterwards. The Trades Club - Holme Street, Hebden Bridge, West Yorks, HX7 8EE

Have no idea if they will process membership quickly enough but if they are clever about it could be a nice little earner for a club that is perennially short of cash.

 

[chilango]

Decimation (Roman army) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Kidnap them, tie them up and dump them, alive and well, on the steps here.

 

[kavenism]

Due to the suspension of all CLP activities the membership will find it difficult to organise new NEC lists. Perhaps that's why the NEC have mandated this cessation of all perfidious local party democracy.

My CLP was due to select delegates for the AGM tonight. I can't see how they're going to justify putting that off.

 

[YouSir]

Due to the suspension of all CLP activities the membership will find it difficult to organise new NEC lists. Perhaps that's why the NEC have mandated this cessation of all perfidious local party democracy.

 

[Libertad]

My CLP was due to select delegates for the AGM tonight. I can't see how they're going to justify putting that off.

Of all the shit that the NEC pulled last night this suspension of CLPs to meet is the first thing that needs to be challenged by Corbyn/McDonnell et alia.

 

[DotCommunist]

surely even right-labour CLP members must guard their territory with some jealousy? even if they agree that corbyn should fuck off, nobody likes their toes stepped on, right? 'we win you these elections you dicks' would be my thoughts.