If/when he wins, most of them will come crawling back. It's a minority of wreckers, the rest just joined in because they thought they could see which way things were going and wanted it over quickly, I think. Fucked right up there.
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Fez909
toilet expert
That's right, nothing to do with Corbyn and they have previous.
So is this the situation then? Are there any reputable sources saying all CLP have been suspended or is it just more bullshit?
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Books, not bombs
I sit with despair and am not sure really. The party have not covered themselves in glory, what with all the fighting
back stabbing Etc. I really wish that all had not happened. The should be as strong as they have ever been right not,
ready to hit the tories hard and win the next election. Right now this is not very likly. However, I have a possibly misguided
admiration for Corbyn, the way he has taken it on the chin as opposed to rolling over and quitting. So fair play to him on that one. BUT, if he really was the right man for the job, none of this fighting would have happened.
Mixed blessings.
MochaSoul
It's being enslaved of your own free will
I know the media go after the bombastic and during the ref campaign it was the conservatives who gave the show but I wouldn't be surprised if a few red tories hadn't called in a favour or two from a few journous to keep Corbyn relatively invisible.
mauvais
on reddit or something
Why?
Would the Labour Party have become a competent, benevolent, externally interested entity under someone else?
Fez909
toilet expert
Bernie Gunther
Fundamentalist Druid
I suspect that making it about the man is a bit of a distraction. The issue is with the policies and they'd go after anyone with those policies. The whole 'can't be PM because he's not a public school ex-PR guy or lobbyist' thing is secondary to that.
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Books, not bombs
I think this would not have happened with a good leader, because a good leader would have kept the party together for a whole number of reasons. Over the past day or two, there has been talk of a breakaway party. I have no idea how true this is, but it's bad enough just to have people considering it.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
Confirmed by some at my local CLP, for what it's worth.
Louis MacNeice
Autumn Journalist
Depends what the job is surely? Part of the PLP seem to see their job being to accommodate the Labour Party to the demands of the current economic orthodoxy. Many many Labour Party members, supporters and voters see the job of the Labour being to challenge that self same orthodoxy.
Obviously the two jobs are fundamentally incompatible.
Cheers - Louis MacNeice
MochaSoul
It's being enslaved of your own free will
It depends on what job you think it's more important. If returning a voice to the membership is a task important enough then he is absolutely the right man for it.
YouSir
Retired from Urban
No leader could have taken the Labour Party noticeably to the Left without the right - who value cooperation and agreement with Tories - kicking up a fuss. To put the ideological dishonesty of a minority down to bad leadership is to let them off the hook for basically being bastards.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
not sure the magenta scum have ever had a good leader
mauvais
on reddit or something
What this episode should demonstrate is the gulf between membership opinion - general public opinion is yet to be fairly tested - and the upper party. That's the source of this division, not Corbyn the man or his policies (note the total lack of discourse around policy) or failed attempts at unity. So the only way it wouldn't have happened is to have a leader that represents the upper party's views and not the membership. That's not something to aspire to, is it?
Doctor Carrot
Marxist Henchman
You think the only reason this is happening is because he's not the 'right man for the job'? Do me a favour. Have you not been paying attention? Have a look at the two most recent Peston articles and compare them for the most recent example of a media rabidly on the attack. They have good reason to because someone like him with his policies is a threat to the owners of that media, and they're not the only ones. The amazing thing is he's not even particularly radical and look at the reaction. The problem for them isn't Corbyn it's his policies. If he was so utterly useless and pointless why has there been this level of backstabbing and attack? I've never seen such a united front against a political figure. That alone should make you sit up and take note.
andysays
Love and solidarity
Not sure if this has been posted yet but
Labour leadership: Owen Smith to enter contest
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Labour leadership: Owen Smith to enter contest
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which suggests to me he still hasn't formally submitted his nomination
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Has there been further evidence of the 'suspending all branch/clp meetings till September' thing quoted above? A quick google didn't yield anything. If it does happen it will be widely ignored, which in turn will presumably lead to the NEC trying to call any decisions made in those meeting null and void. The Party's at the point of complete breakdown, but that would push it over the edge. That the right might be trying it shows they've just the plot or are simply working on the assumption the party will split anyway after September.
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
To be met with but I can do this and...
free spirit
more tea vicar?
the fighting is happening precisely because he is the right person for the job.
The job being to overturn 40 years of neoliberal doctrine at the top of both Labour and Conservative parties, and more recently pro-austerity doctrine that the Labour Party had signed up to under Milliband / Balls.
Those who've been installed at the top of the tree in the labour party by 'Progress' were never going to roll over and give up the party willinging, but give it up they must if this failed doctrine is to be successfully challenged and consigned to history (unless they have a complete conversion).
IMO if corbyn wins again with a big mandate, then any PLP members who continue to oppose him in parliament will be handing Corbyn the means to have them disciplined and remove the labour whip from them. I hope he now realises that they're not going to play nice, so he has to use all the tools at the disposal of the party leader to enforce party discipline and remove those who refuse to accept the will of the membership.
If he does this, then and only then will we potentially get some real opposition to the tories, and give the membership and supporters something to really fight for at the next election. Non-entities like Angela Eagle with austerity light policies have no chance of mobilising the support needed to beat the tories.
Someone who're caused the Labour membership to soar to the highest level for decades, and more than triple the pre-election levels really can't be seen as being the automatic election loser that the plotters and the media lackies are making out. Apart from anything else that should be something like £12 million a year extra going into the Labour budgets, plus enough members to mount full campaigns in constituencies where this hasn't been possible since the loss of membership after the Iraq war.
I strongly suspect that this membership level could well double again by the next election if corbyn remains and he's able to bring the PLP to heel and really take the fight to the tories and come up with the radical non-austerity / neoliberal based set of policies for the next manifesto that a huge proportion of the country is desperate to see.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
... though it's also just a sign of madness, where you just do the next most desperate thing, blinkered nonsense with no idea of consequences for the body you are fighting to control. It's getting the look of Peter Griffin fighting that chicken.
Wilf
Slouching towards Billingham
Cheers. Quite, quite astonishing.
most people aren't really interested as far as I can tell, so I suppose they'll be cracking on regardless.
kavenism
Progressive misanthrope
Hope not as I was going to my first in Brentford and Isleworth tonight. I got the invite, nothing through on the email about it being cancelled though.
If it's cancelled and the venue closed put a brick through a window.
free spirit
more tea vicar?
it is isn't it.
I'd be really surprised if the NEC actually had the power to suspect CLP meetings collectively in this way outside of situations where there were clear disciplinary issues or other reasons to suspect each specific CLP from meeting.
I suspect that any CLP could invoke rules to call an EGM of the membership to discuss this suspension and the NEC would be powerless to stop that.
TBH I suspect they did both that and the measure about 6 month membership requirements to vote in the underhand way that they did in full knowledge that they would be rescinded on appeal / if subject to legal challenge, but they wanted to get a few weeks breathing space and take the wind out of the massive recruitment drive that's been going on (which is a fucking odd way of running a party, most parties use leadership elections specifically to recruit new members).
ska invita
back on the other side
Huff post review of the meeting (posted upthread) also mentions it
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