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Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

Monkeygrinder's Organ said:
Hahahaha - my ultra New Labour ex-colleague is moaning on Facebook that she let her membership lapse between May and June and now has to pay 25 quid to vote for Anyone But Corbyn. She's well pissed off.:D
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Wouldn't it be cheaper to match pairs of pro and anti corbo voters, to pledge they won't vote at all?

I came up with that to prove how good a Labour Scientist I now am. :thumbs:
 
squirrelp said:
Listening to the PLP, Ben Bradshaw, John McTernan etc today... its like some aliens in a sci-fi movie where they masquerade in reasonable human form but once the game is up they start sprouting three heads and vomiting green acid
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Paramedics apparently had to try and revive Bradshaw after news of Corbyn's NEC vote win gave him a funny turn

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Pugnax said:
I joined a while back (but since January) as a full member to support Corbyn and don't have a spare £25 to what, quit and rejoin? Fuck them.
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fair chance it will get revoked.

I doubt it's constitutional to take such an important decision at an NEC meeting without it being on the agenda, and after several members have left the room thinking that all the business they were concerned about had been completed.

It also looks like they've applied the wrong bit of the rule book.

I'd expect there'll be a solicitors letter landing tomorrow to point this out and threaten a judicial review if it's not revoked.
 
free spirit said:
fair chance it will get revoked.

I doubt it's constitutional to take such an important decision at an NEC meeting without it being on the agenda, and after several members have left the room thinking that all the business they were concerned about had been completed.

It also looks like they've applied the wrong bit of the rule book.

I'd expect there'll be a solicitors letter landing tomorrow to point this out and threaten a judicial review if it's not revoked.
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If the line of events was as reported, it's not just anti-procedural, it's outright childish.

Would an Angela Eagle led party try and sneak something through the UN Security Council when the Russians and Chinese nipped outside for a smoke?
 
Wilf said:
If the line of events was as reported, it's not just anti-procedural, it's outright childish.

Would an Angela Eagle led party try and sneak something through the UN Security Council when the Russians and Chinese nipped outside for a smoke?
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Yeah . Especially if it was about bombing some brown people for their own good .
 
This is a great article about an interview with John McTernan just before Corbyn was elected leader. He goes so far off the rails about the prospect of Corbyn being leader he actually says something needs to be " done " about him, as he's a threat to NATO .

John McTernan: if Corbyn wins the Labour leadership, he should be deposed immediately | Coffee House

But nonetheless it underlines how this coup was an absolute certainty from the minute Corbyn was elected. And it's a Blairite one regardless of who stabbed Blair in the back.

And " who cares about the grassroots ? " :D:D

You do now you rancid cunt .
 
Vintage Paw said:
Yes, it seems so.

And if those unions can be canny and try to harness those new members after the fact as well... I mean, it's hard to see how this isn't a plus really.

I'm going to join Unite Community. You have to also ensure you jump through the extra hoop of signing up to support as a Labour affiliate (which I believe technically means saying you want your subs to go towards the Labour Party affiliation). So it's not enough just to join the union.
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Just been looking at the site. So I can join for 50p a week, say I wanna be affiliated to labour and I can vote in the leadership contest?
 
Doctor Carrot said:
If Tristram Hunt or Chuka Umuna were my MPs and I had the chance to deselect then this would be my message to a labour party membership canvasser:

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I would be lying if I said this wasn't at least a small part of why I have joined.

Not just for the gratification of seeing Hunt go, but because idk, all this carping on twitter and so on, about how the LP shafts its left-wing members and so on - well I kinda figure you can't expect the party to magically become left-wing and represent your interests unless people make it left-wing and represent your interests... you can't expect the party to be made up of left-wing MPs unless people select left-wing MPs... you can't expect the regional and national party admin to support a left-wing platform unless you elect left-wing people to the regional and national party admin...

I've seen a lot of "what's the point? These MPs hate left-wing people" but there's only one solution to that if you want to see a left-wing Labour Party (and I accept that many people don't, nor care). If what's important to you is there being left-wing MPs in the Labour Party, then ditching your membership, or refusing to become a member, because there are currently not many left-wing MPs in the Labour Party seems a bit... nonstrategic.
 
Well, these last couple of weeks have been one hell of a crash course for a lot of people in the dirty, dirty game of parliamentary and party politics. Which in many ways I think is a good thing. All these new members won't have a rosy view of party membership meaning a bit of canvassing or whatever, but will have learned a bunch of crap about rules and selections and elections and deals and factions and how absolutely fucking cut-throat it is. :thumbs:
 
Vintage Paw said:
It appears so, yes. The Unite spokesperson on the NEC has been touting this method all evening on twitter.
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Will have a proper look tomorrow. Do I have to sign up separately to be affiliated to labour? You mentioned something about it in your post but not sure if that's a separate thing or just a box I tick on the unite community sign up form.

I agree a lot with your previous post about labour in general. I don't think representative democracy is the way to get things done, ultimately anyway but the left is fucking shit in this country and has been ever since I've been conscious. This is the best shape I've seen it in my life time so it's worth getting involved, a lot of people seem to to take that view too but, like you, I accept many won't give a shit and i don't blame them. My MP is a Corbyn plotter and it seems deselcting her is worthwhile as I don't think she even has any politics, let alone any that chimes with me but I'm not quite sure what the constituency position is on her.
 
^ That's the NEC person. She's pro-Corbyn.

I think the biggest hurdle to the new members who want to get involved and try to influence things for the better will be dealing with the at times mind-numbingly boring and at times soul-crushingly inane CLP meetings. Particularly when coupled with business-as-usual CLP leadership.

It's going to be a long slog.
 
Okay, when you join Unite, after you've logged in using your membership number, in the members area you click on preferences and choose "Political Fund contributions to be used for Labour Party affiliation" - then you can use that form above to register as an affiliated supporter.

I guess after you've filled out that form, you can tick the "Signed-up Labour Party affiliated supporter" box in preferences too. It's all a bit opaque. Anyway, that's what I've just done.
 
free spirit said:
fair chance it will get revoked.

I doubt it's constitutional to take such an important decision at an NEC meeting without it being on the agenda, and after several members have left the room thinking that all the business they were concerned about had been completed.
It also looks like they've applied the wrong bit of the rule book.
I'd expect there'll be a solicitors letter landing tomorrow to point this out and threaten a judicial review if it's not revoked.
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I was wondering that when I first read about it ....

The report on ITN doesn't pull too many punches (surprisingly) :

ITN said:
Even by Labour's recent history of giving shambles a good name, today's meeting of the ruling NEC takes the biscuit.
Because at the end of the meeting, after a couple of pro-Corbyn members had left, and Corbyn himself had gone, a vote was taken on a motion not on the agenda, to exclude from the leadership vote anyone who joined the party in the past six months. So the 130,000 who signed up since Brexit, most of whom are thought to be Corbyn supporters, will be unable to vote.
Now whatever you think of Corbyn, this looks and smells like gerrymandering by his opponents.
Corbyn will definitely attempt to get the vote over-turned.
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It was reported on BBC this morning that they have also suspended all CLP meetings until after the election, due to concerns about the level of abuse and Intimidation.
 
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