Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[free spirit]

Someone mentioned that they will keep on making leadership challengers until corbyn goes. Can they really do that? Would there be a majority in the PLP for such a move? Couldn't they be expelled/deselected for such malicious action - effectively deliberately sabotaging the party?
Its clearly a fight to the death and the Blairites will do anything to stop the membership and corbyn - but is this a realistic scenario?

once a year before conference is how I read the rules on that.

If they refuse to follow the party whip continuously in the meantime then that should put them at risk of having the whip removed, though Corbyn is on a bit of a sticky wicket with that one given his rebellious history. Some sort of bringing the party into disrepute charge could also probably be made against MPs found leaking to the press and briefing against the leadership.

But that presumably all depends on the make up of the NEC and willingness of the NEC to take on the PLP plotters and support the leadership that the party members elect (assuming corbyn is elected again).

 

[treelover]

Retweeted Harry Leslie Smith (@Harryslaststand):

‪#‎LabourNEC‬ £25 quid fee ruling shows they aren't against entryism as long as it comes from middle class rather than the working class.

 

[butchersapron]

There's another 10 weeks of this bollocks at least.

 

[Pickman's model]

There's another 10 weeks of this bollocks at least.

 

[treelover]

Firstly, people can join the Unite union as a community member, paying 50p a week until becoming an affiliate member by 8 August.

This would allow members or anyone interested, including students and the unemployed, to vote in the upcoming election.


How you can vote in the Labour party leadership election without paying £25

This is ridiculous, as myself, Belboid,has pointed out, those in work have to join Unite itself.

 

[Wilf]

Exactly.

 

[butchersapron]

This is ridiculous, as myself, Belboid,has pointed out, those in work have to join Unite itself.

 

[Sprocket.]

In (nearly) Carole King's words, It might as well bane until September!

 

[Wilf]

AKA, what's the difference between a wild eyed, orders from Moscow, fanatical entryist and a decent, hardworking person who looks to Labour to defend them in these uncertain times?
- £22.

 

[treelover]

Exactly.

Just contacted Indy.

 

[treelover]

Didn't have you down as a pedant, thats Pickmans trade.

 

[treelover]

Just found out Owen Smith was a senior lobbyist for Pfizer!

 

[rutabowa]

so if I join LGBT Labour for £8 a year it means I can vote, according to the Independent article?I thought new members couldn't? (i joined the party last week)

 

[SpookyFrank]

If a CLP decided to hold a meeting, the NEC would be able to do precisely what to stop them?

 

[Pickman's model]

Just found out Owen Smith was a senior lobbyist for Pfizer!

yeh. it's been referred to above.

 

[butchersapron]

so if I join LGBT Labour for £8 a year it means I can vote, according to the Independent article?I thought new members couldn't? (i joined the party last week)

I think that article is nonsense and you have to be a labour party member to join that internal group - same for BAME LAbour.

 

[YouSir]

so if I join LGBT Labour for £8 a year it means I can vote, according to the Independent article?I thought new members couldn't? (i joined the party last week)

So they say. Not sure if they'll have a chance to close that loophole, sure they'll try though.

 

[Wilf]

so if I join LGBT Labour for £8 a year it means I can vote, according to the Independent article?I thought new members couldn't? (i joined the party last week)

'Probably', though I expect plenty on the right are scurrying round as we speak to close these 'loopholes'.

 

[treelover]

Just been noticing on social media just how many RTS, anti-capitalists from the 90's/early 2000's, etc, are now with Corbyn. This is from the cartoonist Kate Evans

 

[YouSir]

If a CLP decided to hold a meeting, the NEC would be able to precisely what to stop them?

Practically, nothing. But they would say any attempt to meet and any motions passed were illegitimate.

 

[Wilf]

It would be interesting to know when the right came up with this cunning plan to restrict the party electorate. Perhaps they've not really thought it through.

 

[rutabowa]

I think that article is nonsense and you have to be a labour party member to join that internal group - same for BAME LAbour.

It did sound a bit strange to me.
Tho I guess as a new member I cd join to get voting rights... if that bit is even accurate.

 

[Bernie Gunther]

Just found out Owen Smith was a senior lobbyist for Pfizer!

Also in favour of Iraq, NHS PFI/privatisation etc.

Owen Smith opens up on by-election

Public supportive of moves to increase choice but government must do more to make it a reality

and recently of more austerity

Martin Shipton: Is there really an alternative to more austerity?

http://www.express.co.uk/comment/ex...n-Smith-on-backing-Andy-Burnham-Labour-leader

 

[butchersapron]

It would be interesting to know when the right came up with this cunning plan to restrict the party electorate. Perhaps they've not really thought it through.

It was mentioned as part of eagle's challenge plan last week.

 

[Wilf]

It was mentioned as part of eagle's challenge plan last week.

Ah, right. Cheers.

 

[butchersapron]

Ah, right. Cheers.

I was going to mention it but didn't think it would get past the NEC...

 

[andysays]

Not only that but some right-wing Labour MPs are claiming that it was Corbyn wot done it to keep the sudden flood of anti-Corbyn members (lol) from ousting him.

He's such a tyrant he even manages to introduce and force through a motion undder AOB once he's left the meeting.

Will no one save us from this monster...

 

[squirrelp]

I sit with despair and am not sure really. The party have not covered themselves in glory, what with all the fighting
back stabbing Etc. I really wish that all had not happened. The should be as strong as they have ever been right not,
ready to hit the tories hard and win the next election. Right now this is not very likly. However, I have a possibly misguided
admiration for Corbyn, the way he has taken it on the chin as opposed to rolling over and quitting. So fair play to him on that one. BUT, if he really was the right man for the job, none of this fighting would have happened.
Mixed blessings.

hash tag are you sure about that?

I think you have to be very careful with this. This is logic that makes one go along with the crowd. It can turn a small group of bullies into a large group of bullies.

Let me give you an example to illustrate. Take Christophe Bassons. A cyclist whose record was unremarkable, except for the fact that he was perhaps the only clean rider on the tour during the reign of Lance Armstrong. Looking back with hindsight it seems the man was practically a saint, however he was horrendously hounded and had to quit Christophe Bassons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Was he the wrong cyclist? No.

You can find many others of whistleblowers, or otherwise well-motivated people who come against harassment because they are threatening an order of things.

You have to ask yourself, do the attacks make any sense? If it does not, maybe there is something else behind it all.

Might Corbyn be a threat to an established order of things? I very much think so.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Unite Community website is struggling...

 

[treelover]

Unite Community Leeds Office is now saying you can join as a worker, but can't get advice on work issues, very confusing.