Jeremy Corbyn's time is up

[Pickman's model]

I'm lucky enough to be a Council tenant.

I have a cast iron tenancy. It gives me a lot of security.

Why should private renters not have the same?

They used to btw.

I grew up in private rented housing.

Decades ago private renters had a lot of security as long as they paid.

It was Thatcher that rolled this back. Or reformed it depending on your politics.

Rolling it back did not improve it. The opposite is the case.

So bringing rent controls back what is the problem for you?

Should be universal public housing as eirigi proposed in ireland

 

[Riklet]

His latest Instagram output is pretty decent and inspiring tbh. Man knows what he's doing.

I would 100% vote for him if I lived in Islington North. Which I don't

 

[Louis MacNeice]

Well, yeah, obviously. Lots of that will go up in Bucks and Essex.

That is a rather weird response both in terms of ambition and stereotyping; doesn't seem very socialist in either regard.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

 

[two sheds]

I think that Corbyn keeps some very unpleasant and deeply antisemitic company, and that was my main reason for not supporting Labour when he was in charge.

You do know that Corbyn has consistently supported Jewish people and groups throughout his career?

Fifty times Jeremy Corbyn stood with Jewish people

Skwawkbox has just published an extensive list of solidarity actions by Jeremy Corbyn over the years with various groups within…

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk

And that it was the right wing of the Labour party that whipped up the antisemitism accusations, gratefully taken up by the right wing media as a way of destroying the only chance we had of actually redistributing some of the hugely unbalanced wealth in the UK? That and his support for the Palestinian cause.

You know about the WhatsApp messages from Labour HQ at the time I presume? And have you read the Forde Report which details how Corbyn was also falsely accused of antisemitism by Labour HQ staff?

 

[The39thStep]

I just love the fact that the Luke Akehurst of Urban isn't even a member of the Labour Party

 

[Gramsci]

Apologies, then.

Very much the first. I wouldn’t identify with the second statement - who would? - but I think that Corbyn keeps some very unpleasant and deeply antisemitic company, and that was my main reason for not supporting Labour when he was in charge.

Is it really?

You've said you don't care who runs royal mail and your not behind rent controls.

Seems to me the anti semitism stuff was a red herring. Those on right of party opposed any moves away from the the middle ground consensus.

It was only after starmer got elected that the true reason to get rid of Corbyn emerged . That was to trash his and John McDonnell economic programme.

Anti semitism was cynical political ploy to demolish this.

Reminds me of my Labour party friend who went apoplectic with rage when former leader Ed Miliband also threatened to bring in better rights for private tenants. Like a lot of middle of the ground liberal middle classes she had buy to let property as her in her words pension. So any moves to give private renters more rights was a threat.

Perfectly nice liberal person who I get on with. Also hated Corbyn.

There is section of middle class who are socially liberal. But whose economic position puts them on right over certain issues.

Smearing Corbyn as a racist suited them as way to hide their economic reasons not to support his politics.

The overall problem is the financialisation of economy since Thatcher leading people on their own devices to try to support their old age. Cashing in on property being one of them. My friend would not be only person to regard being a landlord as way to safeguard their future. It's the system that is the problem. And criticism of it gets deflected onto other issues.

 

[Wilf]

But it’s not quite accurate. He’s running his mum’s chain of IVF clinics and so he’s ramping the capabilities of private providers to get involved in NHS service delivery. That’s not selling off the nHS: it’s marketisation, not privatisation.

It’s also in line with what Streeting has said about how to reduce waiting lists, so he’s not been caught out being flagrantly off-message.

But it puts him on the wrong side of common decency.

 

[Wilf]

No, it’s a mistake. Nobody transposed letters or even misplaced an apostrophe, they said that the UK was the sixth biggest country in the world. And nobody who checked the leaflet noticed.

Corbyn’s team seem to be low wattage.

Also, they claim that they saved the Whittington hospital. I am pretty sure no one was planning to close it down. Presumably they meant the maternity unit, so that’s another error.

I'm not invested in Corbyn or the Labour left, but in this election the party has probably the worst leader ever. In those circumstances I hope Corbyn and a few other left candidates manage to win. The quality of their leaflets is pretty much irrelevant.

 

[Larry O'Hara]

If they can’t get even basic stuff like this right why should an idiot like him be voted for?

Could say the same about Labours spending plans

 

[Humberto]

Is it really?

You've said you don't care who runs royal mail and your not behind rent controls.

Seems to me the anti semitism stuff was a red herring. Those on right of party opposed any moves away from the the middle ground consensus.

It was only after starmer got elected that the true reason to get rid of Corbyn emerged . That was to trash his and John McDonnell economic programme.

Anti semitism was cynical political ploy to demolish this.

Reminds me of my Labour party friend who went apoplectic with rage when former leader Ed Miliband also threatened to bring in better rights for private tenants. Like a lot of middle of the ground liberal middle classes she had buy to let property as her in her words pension. So any moves to give private renters more rights was a threat.

Perfectly nice liberal person who I get on with. Also hated Corbyn.

There is section of middle class who are socially liberal. But whose economic position puts them on right over certain issues.

Smearing Corbyn as a racist suited them as way to hide their economic reasons not to support his politics.

The overall problem is the financialisation of economy since Thatcher leading people on their own devices to try to support their old age. Cashing in on property being one of them. My friend would not be only person to regard being a landlord as way to safeguard their future. It's the system that is the problem. And criticism of it gets deflected onto other issues.

Corbyn is an associate of Stop the War Coalition. He isn't a realistic candidate for PM which is why he lost heavily and we got Johnson Truss etc.

Even now Starmer has the dogs at the end of their leash. Ready to do their job on him.

 

[redsquirrel]

I just love the fact that the Luke Akehurst of Urban isn't even a member of the Labour Party

There's a set of U75ers that demand the LP do as they wish, and ignore/marginalise the actual members of the party. It's weird - I care so much about this that I'm willing ... to post shit on a message board.

Very much the first. I wouldn’t identify with the second statement - who would? - but I think that Corbyn keeps some very unpleasant and deeply antisemitic company, and that was my main reason for not supporting Labour when he was in charge.

Truly another example of your deep and abiding commitment to social democracy - not voting for the LP when for the first time in 30 years it advocates (if mildly) the politics of the tendency you claim to follow.

 

[tim]

Not sure about rent controls at all. I don’t care who owns the Royal Mail. I object massively to “peace around the world” because I know perfectly well what Corbyn and his useful idiot acolytes mean by it. Everything else seems fine.

I also have a very dim view of the maternity unit at the Whittington, as they nearly killed our firstborn, but that’s by the by.

Hoe many flats do you own?

 

[Silas Loom]

Hoe many flats do you own?

None. Why?

 

[tim]

None. Why?

I assumed you must be a rentier given given your concerns about rent controls.

 

[Pickman's model]

I assumed you must be a rentier given given your concerns about rent controls.

You asked about flats. Maybe you should have asked about properties,to cast the net wider

 

[Silas Loom]

That is a rather weird response both in terms of ambition and stereotyping; doesn't seem very socialist in either regard.

Cheers - Louis MacNeice

I suggested upthread that we needed several new towns in London’s green belt with a high proportion of social housing, picking Bucks and Essex as ideal locations. That was the reference.

 

[Pickman's model]

I suggested upthread that we needed several new towns in London’s green belt with a high proportion of social housing, picking Bucks and Essex as ideal locations. That was the reference.

Why is green belt land in bucks and essex the ideal location?

 

[tim]

I suggested upthread that we needed several new towns in London’s green belt with a high proportion of social housing, picking Bucks and Essex as ideal locations. That was the reference.

Let a thousand Stevenages bloom! Do you own a construction company?

 

[Silas Loom]

I assumed you must be a rentier given given your concerns about rent controls.

I am not particularly bothered about rent controls, I just picked them out as something on Corbyn’s manifesto that didn’t appeal to me (when asked to do so by Brogdale), because I think that the housing problem is essentially one of restricted supply in the places people want to live, and as soon as that is fixed, rent controls would be irrelevant. They might make sense in some areas as a time-limited scheme while the house building gets under way.

I have one house. Actually we do charge our youngest daughter rent now she’s earning, £300 monthly to cover bed and board, so I suppose you can count me as a rentier, although I suspect that the valuation board would say she’s getting a reasonable deal.

 

[redsquirrel]

I am not particularly bothered about rent controls, I just picked them out as something on Corbyn’s manifesto that didn’t appeal to me (when asked to do so by Brogdale), because I think that the housing problem is essentially one of restricted supply in the places people want to live, and as soon as that is fixed, rent controls would be irrelevant. They might make sense in some areas as a time-limited scheme while the house building gets under way.

The magic hand of the market will solve it all

 

[Silas Loom]

Let a thousand Stevenage's bloom. Do you own a construction company?

Er, no. I’m beginning to get the impression that your friendly questions aren’t entirely serious.

Anyway, we can do a lot better than Stevenage. There hasn’t been any really massive urban masterplanning in the UK since Milton Keynes, a 2020s city designed on that scale should be spectacularly attractive.

 

[Silas Loom]

But it puts him on the wrong side of common decency.

I don’t think it makes him an ideal Labour candidate, no.

 

[tim]

The magic hand of the market will solve it all

Exactly, votes are the currency in the election market.

 

[Pickman's model]

I am not particularly bothered about rent controls, I just picked them out as something on Corbyn’s manifesto that didn’t appeal to me (when asked to do so by Brogdale), because I think that the housing problem is essentially one of restricted supply in the places people want to live, and as soon as that is fixed, rent controls would be irrelevant. They might make sense in some areas as a time-limited scheme while the house building gets under way.

I have one house. Actually we do charge our youngest daughter rent now she’s earning, £300 monthly to cover bed and board, so I suppose you can count me as a rentier, although I suspect that the valuation board would say she’s getting a reasonable deal.

Why not expropriate all the flats bought as investments and left empty, the number of which would accommodate the inhabitants of a fair sized town or small city - reckon you could house a population the size of York, round 140,150k like that.

 

[Silas Loom]

I just love the fact that the Luke Akehurst of Urban isn't even a member of the Labour Party

Have been previously. Wouldn’t have any opportunity to enjoy the benefits of membership if I rejoined.

 

[wtfftw]

No, it’s a mistake. Nobody transposed letters or even misplaced an apostrophe, they said that the UK was the sixth biggest country in the world. And nobody who checked the leaflet noticed.

Corbyn’s team seem to be low wattage.

Also, they claim that they saved the Whittington hospital. I am pretty sure no one was planning to close it down. Presumably they meant the maternity unit, so that’s another error.

The Whittington has had various threats over the years. The A&E was marked for closure when I lived in the area and I'm not sure if the selling off other bits happened or not. The latest thing may be maternity.

 

[Pickman's model]

I've always liked the Whittington myself, they squandered the opportunities they've have to kill me

 

[Silas Loom]

The Whittington has had various threats over the years. The A&E was marked for closure when I lived in the area and I'm not sure if the selling off other bits happened or not. The latest thing may be maternity.

I’m surprised that it hasn’t been snaffled by the Royal Free like everything else with an N postcode - North Mids is the latest to join. Perhaps they know it’s a basket case and want to steer clear.

 

[Pickman's model]

I’m surprised that it hasn’t been snaffled by the Royal Free like everything else - North Mids is the latest to join. Perhaps they know it’s a basket case and want to steer clear.

It's not really like everything else is it. Not uclh or st George's or the homerton.

 

[tim]

Er, no. I’m beginning to get the impression that your friendly questions aren’t entirely serious.

Anyway, we can do a lot better than Stevenage. There hasn’t been any really massive urban masterplanning in the UK since Milton Keynes, a 2020s city designed on that scale should be spectacularly attractive.

Concrete core don't shit everywhere, which makes them more attractive to some degree.