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SpookyFrank
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They are selfish.
cantsin
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agreed, and with Marina Hyde in the Graun today who basically says the supposedly outraged lot who call for everyone to be sacked all the time are basically plonkers : there's enough real stuff to get outaged about out there :
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/dec/02/jeremy-clarkson-rebel-cause-dvds
shrill liberals getting all outraged about this just show how deluded their worldview is , as if everything nowadays can get sorted out nicely if we all just vote the right way and have a few polite strikes / marches, and keep Tory yobs off the telly - JC at least reminded people on weds of what strikers in the US and UK were facing as recently as the 1920's/30, and just what his lot really are thinking, even if it was gag ( and it was ) .
I once saw him standing outside Chrysalis radio (? ) Latimer Road as i sat at the lights in some shitty car, beeped him and gave him the finger, he laughed, and gave it straight back - he knows the score, and who knows, maybe one day the Chipping Norton lot will have to be getting their guns out to try and hold on to what they've robbed over centuries. Would be good to see if he retains the ol' sense of humour then.
Going to be VERY stuffy and boring here ... but the real crime of Clarkson and Top Gear is his relentless promotion of dangerous high speed motoring - "track day" behaviour on the public roads ... which I have no doubt has led many young drivers , and those they collide with, to the grave and/or casualty ward over the years.
Yeh, Yeh, I know , "killjoy" "sermonising" ... but I remain quite astonished at how a public service broadcaster has allowed Clarkson and co to propagandise for the "speed is all driving and cars is all about" viewpoint for so many years (yeh I DO really know why ... TOP Gear is an international "phenomenum" and earns Auntie Beeb shedloads of money).
Oh for the smooth measured , old Etonian tones of the Old School original Top Gear presenter... (Raymond Baxter ?) ...
" and I found the burr walnut controls of the Wolsey Rustbucket fell easily to hand... with a top speed of approaching 40 miles per hour... and the waft of polished leather upholstery and the cigarette butts from the 20 handily placed , hand-carved walnut ashtrays, caressing my nostrils ......."
Absolute magic !
Yeh, Yeh, I know , "killjoy" "sermonising" ... but I remain quite astonished at how a public service broadcaster has allowed Clarkson and co to propagandise for the "speed is all driving and cars is all about" viewpoint for so many years (yeh I DO really know why ... TOP Gear is an international "phenomenum" and earns Auntie Beeb shedloads of money).
Oh for the smooth measured , old Etonian tones of the Old School original Top Gear presenter... (Raymond Baxter ?) ...
" and I found the burr walnut controls of the Wolsey Rustbucket fell easily to hand... with a top speed of approaching 40 miles per hour... and the waft of polished leather upholstery and the cigarette butts from the 20 handily placed , hand-carved walnut ashtrays, caressing my nostrils ......."
Absolute magic !
cantsin
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totally agree, it's massively reckless/dangerous/powerful pro car, pro-fast driving proapaganda - if the Beeb were really held to their 'balance' remit, they should have an hour long programme devoted to intense footage of speeding driver victims / ecological disasters each week - maybe get Dave Angel the Eco warrior to present it, dont know if the DVD spins offs would quite be in the Top gear bracket mind.
Gingerman
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Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Yes I do. The act of suicide itself is selfish but it doesn't mean the people who committ suicide are selfish themselves.
Grandma Death
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danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I'm not sure I follow.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
. Suicide is an act of desperation. Desperation makes some people act irrationally...the act itself doesn't warrant them being labelled as selfish per se. I don't think that and neither do the mental health charities that have criticised his words.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Don't get me wrong, I think he's a twat. But as someone who has campaigned for years on mental health issues, and who experiences depression, I would say suicide is selfish. That isn't what I disliked about his comments. If he'd just said that, I wouldn't disagree.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
The act itself is selfish for all the obvious reasons. But that doesn't make the person selfish. Clarkson in the article is labelling them 'Johnny Selfish' and 'that trains should not wait until all the remains of the body had been removed from tracks, saying - grotesquely - that drivers should instead 'get the train moving as soon as possible and let foxy woxy and the birds nibble away at the smaller, gooey parts that are far away and hard to find.'
That's not even being a serious point being made...that's Clarkson being a cunt.
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
If I'd lost someone close to me.through suicide and some prick was calling them Johnny Selfish I'd be annoyed...I dunno maybe that's just me.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Of course.
However, my point is that I don't think the attitude of "oh, you can't say that!" (I'm not aiming this at you) is at all helpful. Mental illhealth needs to be discussed, including the uncomfortable attitudes. If people think they have to hide away certain sentiments, then that will only feed the stigma.
I don't need to read what Clarkson actually said (and I haven't) to know that he is not honestly discussing anything; he's just being a real life troll. But the short phrase you had in your initial post is factually correct - "calling people who commit suicide on train tracks selfish". Although obviously, it doesn't explore the wider issue in any depth at all. Let's imagine someone else said it. The response shouldn't be to say "don't say that", but to say, "yes, but here are the wider issues you may not be considering".
In, of course, my opinion.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
ok , ive done a bit of a rewind on his shoot the strikers comments . Id only saw the selective quote which failed to mention his initial happiness there was a strike on and his comment following about it being the BBC and its requirement for impartiality , prior to him then expressing a totally different view involving executions . In that context it was just a knobbish thing to say as opposed to anything that justifies all the manufactured outrage .
And he was clearly brought on the show to say something like that in order to stir up the required controversy and publicity for the DVD market this christmas , which the BBC will profit handsomely from . Which is something that habitually seems to shadow his penchant for outrageous comments .
So in that context he was a knob , but not as big a cunt as i had him down for yesterday .
I also think he was right to refuse to apologise unless the BBC apologised along with him , because the 2 were clearly in cahoots . The furore about the thing is more annoying to me than what was actually said the more i think about it. It does eem to be an actual case of " pc gone mad" .
As for the train suicide thing that was just nasty and crass .
Anyways , I dont mnd him being controversial as long as its funny , but it just wasnt . It was shit .
And he was clearly brought on the show to say something like that in order to stir up the required controversy and publicity for the DVD market this christmas , which the BBC will profit handsomely from . Which is something that habitually seems to shadow his penchant for outrageous comments .
So in that context he was a knob , but not as big a cunt as i had him down for yesterday .
I also think he was right to refuse to apologise unless the BBC apologised along with him , because the 2 were clearly in cahoots . The furore about the thing is more annoying to me than what was actually said the more i think about it. It does eem to be an actual case of " pc gone mad" .
As for the train suicide thing that was just nasty and crass .
Anyways , I dont mnd him being controversial as long as its funny , but it just wasnt . It was shit .
I pretty much agree with that. Given the context of the comment, I have no idea why the union leaders were getting out of their pram, nor Ed Miliband. I think they knew it was a silly thing to get upset about, and that's why they just said they were happy with an apology after first calling for his resignation.
I have no time for Clarkson or his humour, but I see why some do.
I have no time for Clarkson or his humour, but I see why some do.
Casually Red
tomorrow belongs to me
possibly like me they hadnt bothered to aquaint themselves with the entirety of the interview . Not least the bit were hes introduced in a " oo-err..look out , its mr controversial..tell us what you think of the strike then" fashion . The presenters were just being Tommy Cannon to his Bobby Ball . The straight man in the double act of manufactured outrage .
That and the fact politicians of all stripes are just attention whores .
That and the fact politicians of all stripes are just attention whores .
Its where you draw the line i guess. I don't understand when people demand a resignation just because someone says something is offensive or unpleasant. There has to be more to it than that. I know people who genuinely don't know what they can and can't say. Who may say something bang out of order and not really know. When they hear someone else say something they would say get hounded by the media with no real explanation of why what was said was wrong just that someone was offended or upset. I know when I'm offended by something it actually leads me to a degree of introspection or something that makes me look at the world differently also offends me. Something that offends one person could open someones eyes to that persons faults. Theres a lot of cunts out there who need to be upset and offended. This could be the case with Clarkson suicide comments hideous as they are. I found them funny in a way as a kind of gallows humour as I'm very close to someone who has attempted suicide and had people attempt it while i was present but i also understand why people are upset. Instead of such comments being simply dismissed and the cock responsible condemned they could be discussed in a way that illuminates any prejudices or even god forgive an important point thaw could be important. The person i talked about only stopped trying to harm himself and the behaviours that lead him there when he realised the hurt he was causing the people around him and the way they would feel if he ever succeeded.
FridgeMagnet
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I don't have an issue with him being told to shut up with the suicide stuff, even though I've made jokes like that before, because that was just the Clarkson machine churning out another piece. It's not black humour, it's just him being a controversialist twat.
krtek a houby
Merry Xmas!
From arch rotter to Britain's best loved comedian in 48 hours. That's some rehabilitation. Perhaps he'll be up for an MBE next.
danny said:
Agreeing.
And with Marina Hyde's Graun piece today.
And with Casually Red's post above as well
I think your post is silly. How can an 'act' of suicide be selfish whilst people performing that act are exonerated from the selfishness in your eyes? Ever heard of total despair?
Grandma Death
Reconfiguring & Reconstructing
Because its an act of desperation and sometimes desperate people don't think or behave rationally.
London_Calling
Pleasant and unpatronising
Desperation and selfishness don't have to be mutually exclusive though.
Quite.
Clarkson isn't real. He's a media construct, designed to elicit certain responses and appeal to certain people, which he does extraordinarily well.
Fedayn
Well-Known Member
I'd agree, also the BBC knew about his 'joke' beforehand and then threw their hands up in faux horror and hollow apologies....
As for Clarkson, here's hoping that pathetic little weasel Hammond give's him a lift home after the Top Gear xmas party in a fast car.
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