Jeremy Clarkson: strikers should be "executed in front of their families"

[Blagsta]

Crock of shit which demonstrates a fundamental lack of understanding of, and empathy with, human nature.

ironic

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You claim to have someone you cared for throw themselves under a train, ( I can understand that), yet you think they do it for the chutzpah, a dash of razzmatazz? Cock.

 

[Blagsta]

You claim to have someone you cared for throw themselves under a train, ( I can understand that), yet you think they do it for the chutzpah, a dash of razzmatazz? Cock.

Ahhhh, a straw man argument.

Fuck off.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

You really are a penis.

 

[Blagsta]

ironic

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

My 2p worth - ending one's life in a very public manner such as jumping in front of a train, is selfish and a bit of a "fuck you" to people IMO, whether consciously or unconsciously. There are other ways of doing it which are more private and cause less disruption/trauma to people. And I say this as someone who has had a close relative jump in front of a train.

we were talking about this today, driving back from france, having missed the news in this country for a few days.

and i must admit, as much as i think clarkson is a self serving reptile, we all nodded and broadly agreed with what he said here on train suicides (and i cackled a bit about letting scavengers pick the road kill up i must admit )

 

[revol68]

frankly i think applying the term to selfish to an act that involves someone killing themselves is fucking retarded, yes it has horrible ramifications for family, friends and in the case of train jumpers, the driver but it just seems to me that the word selfish seems a tad out of fucking place when talking about someone ending their fucking lives, that is destroying themselves.

anyone who uses the word selfish to describe it and isn't someone acting out in grief is a cunt.

 

[revol68]

we were talking about this today, driving back from france, having missed the news in this country for a few days.

and i must admit, as much as i think clarkson is a self serving reptile, we all nodded and broadly agreed with what he said here on train suicides (and i cackled a bit about letting scavengers pick the road kill up i must admit )

well congratulations you're a cunt.

 

[Blagsta]

frankly i think applying the term to selfish to an act that involves someone killing themselves is fucking retarded, yes it has horrible ramifications for family, friends and in the case of train jumpers, the driver but it just seems to me that the word selfish seems a tad out of fucking place when talking about someone ending their fucking lives, that is destroying themselves.

anyone who uses the word selfish to describe it and isn't someone acting out in grief is a cunt.

pfffft, liberal

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

well congratulations you're a cunt.

proud to be of service son

 

[revol68]

pfffft, liberal

liberalism is an ideology that takes the rational, self interested individual as it's starting point and hence even when confronted with the ultimate act of irrational disinterest for the self feels the need to force it back into it's ideological straitjacket by labeling it selfish, cos it is an inconvenience to someone else...

 

[danny la rouge]

frankly i think applying the term to selfish to an act that involves someone killing themselves is fucking retarded, yes it has horrible ramifications for family, friends and in the case of train jumpers, the driver but it just seems to me that the word selfish seems a tad out of fucking place when talking about someone ending their fucking lives, that is destroying themselves.

anyone who uses the word selfish to describe it and isn't someone acting out in grief is a cunt.

I think the word "retarded" is out of place there, and, frankly, does your argument no good at all.

 

[revol68]

I think the word "retarded" is out of place there, and, frankly, does your argument no good at all.

been through this, you are emotionally retarded (stunted, underdeveloped etc) if you think the term selfish is in anyway useful for talking about suicide.

 

[Blagsta]

liberalism is an ideology that takes the rational, self interested individual as it's starting point and hence even when confronted with the ultimate act of irrational disinterest for the self feels the need to force it back into it's ideological straitjacket by labeling it selfish, cos it is an inconvenience to someone else...

It would seem to me that focussing purely on the distress of the individual without acknowledging the wider social implications is the epitome of liberalism.

 

[Blagsta]

And yes, I do acknowledge the severe emotional distress my sister was in when she jumped. Doesn't mean I can also take a step back and look at what such a public act communicates.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I have at times gotten honestly angry at tube jumpers at Liverpool Street (where they seemed very common) slowing my commute down, but that was the time to step back and say "hold on, work is turning me into a cunt now". Which it was.

 

[danny la rouge]

been through this

As have I, and it is a term disliked by people with learning disabilities, so it's best not used in a way that can be taken the wrong way.

Fire retardant. Fine.
[You are] fucking retarded. Not fine.

 

[revol68]

It would seem to me that focussing purely on the distress of the individual without acknowledging the wider social implications is the epitome of liberalism.

what you think it needs saying that suicide has terrible implications for family and friends? I think talking about suicide in terms of the social implications of minor inconveniences eg delayed trains etc is pathetic. I remember being on a train from london to brighton and it was delayed cos of a jumper and the cunt in front of us may some horrible remark cos like he was going to be delayed by 15 mins or something, that kind of attitude sums up everything wrong with our individualist liberal culture.

 

[revol68]

As have I, and it is a term disliked by people with learning disabilities, so it's best not used in a way that can be taken the wrong way.

Fire retardant. Fine.
[You are] fucking retarded. Not fine.

like i said been through this and i won't be not using the term, cheers

 

[xenon]

You claim to have someone you cared for throw themselves under a train, ( I can understand that), yet you think they do it for the chutzpah, a dash of razzmatazz? Cock.

He didn't say that though did he?

Doing something selfish and irrational aren't mutrily exclusive. Fucksake, peple do selfish irrational things all the time. Don't you ever? It's just public suicide is a real biggie. Which of course, doesn't negate the fact they must have been in terrible anguish to do that.

it's obviously pointless having the argument anyway, since what good's it do anyone. I just hate this mealy mouthed shit that you can't say someone did something bad because they're il.

 

[Blagsta]

what you think it needs saying that suicide has terrible implications for family and friends? I think talking about suicide in terms of the social implications of minor inconveniences eg delayed trains etc is pathetic. I remember being on a train from london to brighton and it was delayed cos of a jumper and the cunt in front of us may some horrible remark cos like he was going to be delayed by 15 mins or something, that kind of attitude sums up everything wrong with our individualist liberal culture.

I'm not really talking about "the social implications of minor inconveniences eg delayed trains".

 

[danny la rouge]

like i said been through this and i won't be not using the term, cheers

That's nice.

 

[revol68]

And yes, I do acknowledge the severe emotional distress my sister was in when she jumped. Doesn't mean I can also take a step back and look at what such a public act communicates.

I think in general it communicates a degree of anger and nihilism at the world, a big fuck you to a world that wouldn't or couldn't care. The fact that people can respond to such a desperate act of suicide by being pissed off at being slightly inconvenienced only serves to justify the feelings.

 

[Blagsta]

I think in general it communicates a degree of anger and nihilism at the world, a big fuck you to a world that wouldn't or couldn't care. The fact that people can respond to such a desperate act of suicide by being pissed off at being slightly inconvenienced only serves to justify the feelings.

Yes, that's more or less what I initially said.

 

[Paulie Tandoori]

As have I, and it is a term disliked by people with learning disabilities, so it's best not used in a way that can be taken the wrong way.

Fire retardant. Fine.
[You are] fucking retarded. Not fine.

eloquently put danny.

and somewhat ironic that it needs to be made, in response to someone else getting particularly vexed over another person's use of language and sentiments.

 

[Orang Utan]

like i said been through this and i won't be not using the term, cheers

what a revol

 

[revol68]

I'm not really talking about "the social implications of minor inconveniences eg delayed trains".

well that's what we are talking about on this thread, like i said friends and family in grieving and acting out can use the term selfish but as a term for standing back and looking at an act of suicide I think it's less than useless.

 

[Blagsta]

well that's what we are talking about on this thread, like i said friends and family in grieving and acting out can use the term selfish but as a term for standing back and looking at an act of suicide I think it's less than useless.

Maybe you should read the posts you respond to.

 

[revol68]

Yes, that's more or less what I initially said.

yes i know which is why i'm baffled as to why outside acting out in grief to a personal loss, you think the term selfish has anything useful to bring to looking at suicides.

 

[Blagsta]

yes i know which is why i'm baffled as to why outside acting out in grief to a personal loss, you think the term selfish has anything useful to bring to looking at suicides.

Maybe you need to read the posts you respond to. You fucking revol.