J30 strike: NUT, PCS, UCU, ATL call for a general strike on June 30th

[MellySingsDoom]

Is that your considered response?

Let's hope you're not a teacher!

Says "she" who hasn't answered A SINGLE POINT raised to her.

One more time: What would you do if your child was ill on a school day? Make them go in? Leave them at home by themselves? Ask someone else to look after them?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Excuses, excuses...

I'm serious, nino. Which union do you recommend for a person in my situation?

 

[Belushi]

Are you saying that people enter the teaching profession so that they can get a nice big pension?

Why do you think teachers (and other public sector workers) should get better pensions than private sector workers?

Why do you think privsate sector workers should get worse ones?

 

[belboid]

I work for a very small business which can't afford to pay me when I have to take time off because the teachers are on strike. Which union do you think would be best?

bet you dont

 

[nino_savatte]

I'm serious, nino. Which union do you recommend for a person in my situation?

You don't really want to join a union though. You'd rather moan and bitch about the public sector.

 

[peterkro]

I'm serious, nino. Which union do you recommend for a person in my situation?

IWW.

 

[shaman75]

police kettle tents in trafalgar square http://yfrog.com/kk7w7bsj

 

[redsquirrel]

It's a troll, imo.

Anyway. Lol - transcript of Maude getting caught out bullshitting on the radio by Evan Davies (props to him whoever he is)

Not really he's a total free-market maniac and scab - that's how you know Maude was really, really shit, even Davies thought he was crap.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Not really he's a total free-market maniac and scab - that's how you know Maude was really, really shit, even Harris thought he was crap.

Like I say, I've not heard of him before today. But he didn't have to go after Maude like that, so it was pleasing.

 

[BigTom]

I'm serious, nino. Which union do you recommend for a person in my situation?

As Peterkro said, IWW.. otherwise, what sector is the small business in, because that will define which union you join..

fancy asnwering some of my questions yet?
Did you know the average teachers pension is 10k? Do you think that 10k/year is a good retirement? why do you want private sector workers to have terrible pensions? do you think it is right for a worker to have their conditions changed from what they signed up to? do you think your kids & grandkids education will be improved by worsening the pay & conditions of the teachers?

And a new question - you mentioned the red herring that the private sector creates the wealth, so I'm presuming that you think the public sector only uses the wealth created by the private sector. How much wealth do you think the private sector wouldcreate if there were no roads (just as an example of a public sector rpvoision, I could pick ltos of other things but I like the roads)?
I'll also ask the question osmeone else did - if you don't want t o apy for teachers and shcools, why aren't you sending your kid to private school?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

As Peterkro said, IWW.. otherwise, what sector is the small business in, because that will define which union you join..

fancy asnwering some of my questions yet?
Did you know the average teachers pension is 10k? Do you think that 10k/year is a good retirement? why do you want private sector workers to have terrible pensions?

What's IWW?

And I don't want private sector people to have terrible pensions. I just don't know why they think they should have better pensions than private sector workers.

 

[redsquirrel]

Like I say, I've not heard of him before today. But he didn't have to go after Maude like that, so it was pleasing.

Evan Davies

 

[Looby]

what's iww?

And i don't want private sector people to have terrible pensions. I just don't know why they think they should have better pensions than private sector workers.

we don't! Jesus festering christ, how many times do we have to say it?

 

[belboid]

What's IWW?

oh, so you can read then. So why are you ignoring all the questions and comments that contradict your right wing agenda?

 

[_angel_]

I don't think most teachers could carry on doing that job as well as they used to at 68, sure there'll be some exceptions, but it should be voluntary. It's quite a physical job really and could say the same about any other manual job. How do they expect people to be physically capable?

 

[ymu]

Great interview on BBC2 right now. Missed the name, but she is nailing it! On Andrew Neil's show.

 

[William of Walworth]

I'm on strike today. More people in PCS than aren't, at my worksgaff.

I can't pretend I'm actually doing anything except writing Glastonbury reports on the festival forum here etc etc, and going to the shops and pub later ...

a day in reminiscence, sort of, of my non working months before 2010 then

But I'm not crossing any picket line, and never have, and for what modest amount it's worth, I'm fully in support of all strikers and actions.

 

[treelover]

Have the UK uncut actions been well supported? some of the London ones seem to have only a few there doing the brekkies..

 

[spanglechick]

Are you saying that people enter the teaching profession so that they can get a nice big pension?

Why do you think teachers (and other public sector workers) should get better pensions than private sector workers?

When I entered teaching, yes - it was part of the decision I made, to compensate in part for the lower earnings i'd be likely to get over a lifetime.

but i would support everyone getting a decent pension.

 

[William of Walworth]

One or two colleagues in my particular bit of the work place have said that they WILL be going in today. One's an overt Tory. Another claims she's genuinely poor and can't afford to lose a day's wages -- I'm sceptical, but not outright dismissive, she's approaching retirement. Another's only 21 and has never considered joining a Union -- I did gently attempt a while back to say why joining PCS would be a good idea in the case of this third one. Not with success though.

Still, none of the above three are in the Union, so my special condemnation is reserved for the fuckwit scab who IS in the Union, uses them for advice etc, blathers on at times about how we should be 'more like France' re employee anger and actions and strikes etc -- but it's all supremely hypocritcal hot air cos she's GOING IN TODAY

I dislike her so much -- mostly because she issues Sun-like hate-rants against benefit claimants ('people who don't want to work') and foreigners and gypsies far more often than she talks being a union person -- that I just refused to say a single word to her yesterday -- as for the past eight months. I simply didn't engage, I'd have lost it big time if I had.

I was only just back at work from Glastonbury yesterday, and adjusting to being back in the 'normal world' was difficult enough by itself.

But if I'd been able to have any kind of chat with her, I'd have asked her why she didn't work the Tuesday instead of the Thursday -- she's a Weds to Fri part timer and could have stayed at home to look after her kids the Thursday -- she's always on about her childcare responsibilities -- so teachers being on strike today was no real excuse for anything. No doubt though there'd have been some child related yet ultra feeble reason why such preplanning wasn't possible.

So I failed to bother -- mostly out of self preservation towards my own anger levels.

Conclusion : I'm not pally with scabs!

 

[Onket]

Is that your considered response?

Let's hope you're not a teacher!

Please accept my apologies for stooping to your level.

 

[madzone]

we don't! Jesus festering christ, how many times do we have to say it?

I love you

 

[BigTom]

What's IWW?

IWW = Industrial Workers Of The World (slogans: One Big Union / A Union For All Workers / An Injury To One Is An Injury To All).. any worker can join.. other unions are fairly sector specific, eg: if you're in retail then it's USDAW, if you're in film/theatre/entertainments then it's BECTU.. tell us what the company does and someone will know which union(s) you can join

And I don't want private sector people to have terrible pensions. I just don't know why they think they should have better pensions than private sector workers.

If you don't want private sector workers to have terrible pensions, why are you arguing that public sector pensions should be made worse. What effect do you think worsening public sector pensions will have on private sector pensions?

 

[William of Walworth]

If you don't want private sector workers to have terrible pensions, why are you arguing that public sector pensions should be made worse. What effect do you think worsening public sector pensions will have on private sector pensions?

Heart of the matter. Good questions!

 

[ElizabethofYork]

we don't! Jesus festering christ, how many times do we have to say it?

Defined benefit pensions and the final salary schemes that many public servants still enjoy have largely stopped in the private sector. If we compare the average pension across the country of just £3,900 a year to that of an index-linked £24,000 for a teacher retiring at 60 after 40 years of service, it is clear what the size of this disparity is. It should also be remembered that this pension does not come out of savings that have accumulated over a working life. Most public sector schemes in the UK are "unfunded", meaning that payouts come from current taxpayers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/30/public-sector-pensions-fair

 

[BigTom]

Heart of the matter. Good questions!

she won't answer though still worth asking mind.. someone else reading this might follow the train of thought to the obvious answer..

 

[fractionMan]

Defined benefit pensions and the final salary schemes that many public servants still enjoy have largely stopped in the private sector. If we compare the average pension across the country of just £3,900 a year to that of an index-linked £24,000 for a teacher retiring at 60 after 40 years of service, it is clear what the size of this disparity is. It should also be remembered that this pension does not come out of savings that have accumulated over a working life. Most public sector schemes in the UK are "unfunded", meaning that payouts come from current taxpayers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/30/public-sector-pensions-fair

and?

(the reason the money doesn't come out of a pot - if that's true - is because the fund is mismanaged, not because the worker hasn't paid for it - the state pension via national insurance works the same way fwiw)

 

[BigTom]

Defined benefit pensions and the final salary schemes that many public servants still enjoy have largely stopped in the private sector. If we compare the average pension across the country of just £3,900 a year to that of an index-linked £24,000 for a teacher retiring at 60 after 40 years of service, it is clear what the size of this disparity is. It should also be remembered that this pension does not come out of savings that have accumulated over a working life. Most public sector schemes in the UK are "unfunded", meaning that payouts come from current taxpayers.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2011/jun/30/public-sector-pensions-fair

Somebody correct me here, but is that possible? that would mean starting at the age of 20, and teachers all have to have degrees, then a PGCE afaik.. so there's no possibility of getting 40 years service and retiring at 60..
the average teacher pension is around 10k .. why don't you quote a figure that is real, not one that is obviously made up?

 

[fractionMan]

Also, I have a final salary (defined benefit) pension and work in the public private sector.

 

[fractionMan]

Somebody correct me here, but is that possible? that would mean starting at the age of 20, and teachers all have to have degrees, then a PGCE afaik.. so there's no possibility of getting 40 years service and retiring at 60..
the average teacher pension is around 10k .. why don't you quote a figure that is real, not one that is obviously made up?

Yup. Well spotted. You'd need a bunch of AVCs to make up the years. It's bollocks all the way through. Also, 40 years service isn't that much when it's an 80ths scheme.