J30 strike: NUT, PCS, UCU, ATL call for a general strike on June 30th

[stethoscope]

Besides, the more you push down public sector wages, pensions and conditions, the private sector will just look to push theirs down too through the same arguments and public services becoming privatised - none of this happens in isolation. Why do you support this, ElizabethofYork?

 

[treelover]

Cos she is a R/W Tory/misanthrope...

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Where was your outrage when those in the private sector (who create the wealth, and pay your wages) were getting decreased pay and getting their pensions stolen by Gordon Brown?

 

[_angel_]

All the whinging about one day off.... should try having a kid in a special school... when it snowed we had about two weeks of them not going to school because of no transport. If that happened in a mainstream school there'd be wall to wall whining about it all over the media. One day's strike is nothing in comparison.

 

[Steel Icarus]

Where was your outrage when those in the private sector (who create the wealth, and pay your wages) were getting decreased pay and getting their pensions stolen by Gordon Brown?

House!

 

[stethoscope]

Where was your outrage when those in the private sector (who create the wealth, and pay your wages) were getting decreased pay and getting their pensions stolen by Gordon Brown?

That's not a very convincing argument - try again. After you've answered this:

Besides, the more you push down public sector wages, pensions and conditions, the private sector will just look to push theirs down too through the same arguments and public services becoming privatised - none of this happens in isolation. Why do you support this, ElizabethofYork?

 

[stethoscope]

All the whinging about one day off.... should try having a kid in a special school... when it snowed we had about two weeks of them not going to school because of no transport. If that happened in a mainstream school there'd be wall to wall whining about it all over the media. One day's strike is nothing in comparison.

It's really quite over the top isn't it!

 

[dylans]

It's really quite over the top isn't it!

Its self defeating selfish small minded cretinism is what it is.

 

[Roadkill]

No. I object to paying public sector workers' salary out of my taxes. Paying their pensions out of my tax.

Well who the hell do you think should pay them, then? Do you think public sector workers (encompassing everyone from doctors to street cleaners, remember) should be volunteers and do our jobs solely out of the kindness of our hearts, or something?

And then they stick two fingers up at me and force me to lose a day's salary because they don't think they're getting enough of my tax.

No, we go on strike because we're being asked to pay a whole load more and receive a whole load less, when most of our pension schemes are not in deficit to start with. I would say 'sorry if you're inconvenienced by it,' because not one of us wants to disrupt other peoples' lives, but tbh I'm finding it hard to have much sympathy, given the profoundly selfish and misinformed attitude you are displaying on this thread.

 

[catinthehat]

Its not just about the here and now - your kids will be in school for a lot of years and you need to think about how education is going to pan out over that period. If you wanted an extension built you might employ the cheapest least qualified extension builders you could find, who use the cheapest materials they could find and bunged it up in the quickest, cheapest way they could. Your extension might look ok now but its not going to last and its probably going to cost you more in the long run. The same is true for education - apart from the fact its more important than an extension.

 

[stethoscope]

Well who the hell do you think should pay them, then? Do you think public sector workers (encompassing everyone from doctors to street cleaners, remember) should be volunteers and do our jobs solely out of the kindness of our hearts, or something?

'Big society' innit!

 

[MellySingsDoom]

Nice to see ElizabethofYork completely ignoring my question about what she would do if her kid was off sick - presumably losing a day's wages over that is bang out of order too.

You, EoY, are a Mug.

 

[Looby]

Nice to see ElizabethofYork completely ignoring my question about what she would do if her kid was off sick - presumably losing a day's wages over that is bang out of order too.

You, EoY, are a Mug.

She's completely ignored all my posts too.

 

[nino_savatte]

Where was your outrage when those in the private sector (who create the wealth, and pay your wages) were getting decreased pay and getting their pensions stolen by Gordon Brown?

 

[lopsidedbunny]

You are so concerned about your day off, are you concerned about your childs educational future? Are you happy about your kid being taught by demoralised resentful 68 year old teachers who don't want to be in the classroom? I'm not so with all respect fuck your day off you selfish cunt, this is a fight for our childrens future. If you want better wages and a better pension then join a union and fight for them, if you are not prepared to do that then don't take it out on those who are.

As for your wages being lower due to taxes, can you show me the posts where you complain about the £2 trillion pounds of our money gambled away by the financial banking system? Can you show me where you complain about trident nuclear weapons or the waste of money on endless wars. Can you show me where you complain about the outrageous bonuses paid to bankers after our taxes bailed them out. Can you show me where you complain about the cost of the Royal wedding or the enforced day off school for our kids to pay for that event? No? Then spare me your pathetic resentment at the fact that the people who educate your child should enjoy a decent standard of living.

I think the ElizabethofYork failed to read this....

 

[MellySingsDoom]

So, according to EoY' stunning "logic", if you're a teacher, social worker, nurse etc, you're not a "wealth creator", therefore worse than useless and to be stamped on if you decide to get "uppity".

You should go on the British Democracy Forum, EoY, they'd love you there...

 

[Onket]

Good luck to anyone on strike today.

This^

Good turnout in Windrush Sq, central Brixton this morning with a march down from Lambeth College. Joined for a bit by a mini critical mass-style 50 or so bikes.

 

[Steel Icarus]

I think the ElizabethofYork failed to read this....

I think EoY has run off chuckling.

 

[belboid]

No. I object to paying public sector workers' salary out of my taxes. Paying their pensions out of my tax. And then they stick two fingers up at me and force me to lose a day's salary because they don't think they're getting enough of my tax.

For the third time - you dont. Teachers pay for their own pensions themselves.

 

[dylans]

She's completely ignored all my posts too.

She ignored everyone's posts and failed to address a single point addressed to her.

 

[Onket]

Ranting nut-bucket.

 

[ElizabethofYork]

If pensions became worse, do you think the quality of teachers would go up, or down?

Are you saying that people enter the teaching profession so that they can get a nice big pension?

Why do you think teachers (and other public sector workers) should get better pensions than private sector workers?

 

[Steel Icarus]

For the third time - you dont. Teachers pay for their own pensions themselves.

Is there any handy graph or page with numbers on it for this? Just to throw at twats on Twatter.

 

[nino_savatte]

Are you saying that people enter the teaching profession so that they can get a nice big pension?

Why do you think teachers (and other public sector workers) should get better pensions than private sector workers?

Why haven't you joined a union to fight for your rights instead of moaning?

 

[Onket]

Are you saying that people enter the teaching profession so that they can get a nice big pension?

Why do you think teachers (and other public sector workers) should get better pensions than private sector workers?

Shouldn't you be off looking after your child, rather than spouting shite on the internet?

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Shouldn't you be off looking after your child, rather than spouting shite on the internet?

Is that your considered response?

Let's hope you're not a teacher!

 

[ElizabethofYork]

Why haven't you joined a union to fight for your rights instead of moaning?

I work for a very small business which can't afford to pay me when I have to take time off because the teachers are on strike. Which union do you think would be best?

 

[redsquirrel]

Sertwotka takes Francis Maude to the fucking cleaners:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/today/hi/today/newsid_9526000/9526631.stm

Jesus you know Maude was crap when even a free-market loving scab like Evan Davis was telling him he's talking shite.

NASUWT and the heads unions (ASCL and NAHT). NUT and ATL are on strike. Support staff won't be on strike though as gmb/unison/unite are not striking and we can't join nut or atl.

Seems like a mistake to me, the fact that general staff and academic staff are now represented by a single union has made the NTEU much more effective (at least at this branch).

 

[nino_savatte]

I work for a very small business which can't afford to pay me when I have to take time off because the teachers are on strike. Which union do you think would be best?

Excuses, excuses....

 

[peterkro]

Are you saying that people enter the teaching profession so that they can get a nice big pension?

Why do you think teachers (and other public sector workers) should get better pensions than private sector workers?

They don't get big pensions,they agreed to accept a remuneration which included very modest pension provision which in a very small way offset the appallingly low wages,now the government wants to cancel the binding agreement,make them work eight years longer and pay in substantially more.As has been said time and time again everybody should have reasonable pension provision,private and public.Your at risk of being labelled a troll.