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J30 strike: NUT, PCS, UCU, ATL call for a general strike on June 30th

BigTom said:
you do know that the average teacher's pension is around £10k, and that those 30 year old teachers are going to lose almost £300,000 over a 25yr retirement don't you?
This pension change amounts to a 3% pay cut - do you think that a 3% pay cut will attract better teachers or worse teachers to the proffesion? Do you think that good teachers will stay in schools?

Finally, do you think that people should be entitled to a good pension and a decent retirement?
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Who do you think should pay for the good pension and decent retirement?
 
ElizabethofYork said:
Typical striker's mentality. "I'm alright, sod the poor git who actually pays my wages".
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I want the people who teach my child to have high wages and a good pension. Why? BECAUSE I WANT MY CHILD TO BE TAUGHT BY THE BEST. If you are happy for your child to be taught by second rate cheap labour then you obviously don't love your child very much
 
BigTom said:
NASUWT and the heads unions (ASCL and NAHT). NUT and ATL are on strike. Support staff won't be on strike though as gmb/unison/unite are not striking and we can't join nut or atl.
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Thanks :) Is it ok to ask someone which union they're in? I've had a call from the school telling me off for not sending my yr10 boy in. They kept the school open for yr 9/10 but to me that's undermining the strike action. Some snippy cow said 'Oh, so your son is missing a day's education because you don't want him to cross a picket line that isn't even there?' Fucking snippy cow. She couldn't grasp the fact that there's no actual picket line but to me the fact that teachers are striking creates what effectively constitutes a picket line and my kids aren't crossing it.

I want to know why there's still teaching staff in the school.
 
If you want quality you pay for it. Currently in education there is a race for the bottom - how can you get the cheapest provision. The biggest expense is staff and that is where the savings are being made - and if they deregulate any more you are going to have 'instructors' delivering 'online learning chunks'. There is a direct link between the terms and conditions of teachers and the quality of education your children get. Pensions may be the headline but its about a lot more than that. Whilst I am not naive enough to think that today's strike is going to resolve the crisis in education it may just wake people up a bit to the direction state education is going. It will cost you a lot more than a days wages if this shower of bastards are able to follow their plans to fruition - when you find yourself billed for extras (luxuries like humanities or art) and your kids being taught by unqualified staff it will be to late to restore the damage that has been done.
 
ymu said:
If you put more effort into defending your employment rights and less into criticising others for defending their own, you might have a decent employer who would give you compassionate leave in such a situation. Good employers do, because they understand that they are employing people for a reason, and keeping them happy in trivially cheap ways is by far the best way to go. Short-sighted greedy cunts screw themselves over in their thoughtless greed.

You picked a seriously losing strategy. Sorry.
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My employer is a small business who can't afford to pay people to stay at home. That doesn't make him greedy.
 
dylans said:
I want the people who teach my child to have high wages and a good pension. Why? BECAUSE I WANT MY CHILD TO BE TAUGHT BY THE BEST. If you are happy for your child to be taught by second rate cheap labour then you obviously don't love your child very much
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It's hardly rocket science is it?
 
dylans said:
I want the people who teach my child to have high wages and a good pension. Why? BECAUSE I WANT MY CHILD TO BE TAUGHT BY THE BEST. If you are happy for your child to be taught by second rate cheap labour then you obviously don't love your child very much
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Haha! Now we get to the emotional blackmail.

Bloody strikers. Foul language, aggression, ride roughshod over the poor gits who pay your wages, and now emotional blackmail. How much lower can you stoop?
 
ElizabethofYork said:
Haha! Now we get to the emotional blackmail.

Bloody strikers. Foul language, aggression, ride roughshod over the poor gits who pay your wages, and now emotional blackmail. How much lower can you stoop?
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I'm not a teacher and I'm not on strike you idiot. I'm a parent who wants his child to have the best
 
ElizabethofYork said:
Haha! Now we get to the emotional blackmail.

Bloody strikers. Foul language, aggression, ride roughshod over the poor gits who pay your wages, and now emotional blackmail. How much lower can you stoop?
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Where's the emotional blackmail in dylans post? :confused:

I think you're a troll.
 
ElizabethofYork said:
Who do you think should pay for the good pension and decent retirement?
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I'll answer this question, I hope that you'll show me the respect of answering mine.
I think that the community to which people have contributed over the course of their working life should pay for the good pension and decent retirement (of ALL members of that community - public or private sector workers). Within capitalism this community is probably best defined as the people/area covered by the nation state.
 
ElizabethofYork said:
Answer my question first. Who do you think should pay for the good pension and decent retirement?
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Society, you, me, all of us. For the simple reason that we can't afford not to, and if we are talking taxes we can start by making the rich pay theirs. In a society where we bail out banks to the tune of billions and fight never ending wars we can afford to pay our teachers properly
 
madzone said:
Thanks :) Is it ok to ask someone which union they're in? I've had a call from the school telling me off for not sending my yr10 boy in. They kept the school open for yr 9/10 but to me that's undermining the strike action. Some snippy cow said 'Oh, so your son is missing a day's education because you don't want him to cross a picket line that isn't even there?' Fucking snippy cow. She couldn't grasp the fact that there's no actual picket line but to me the fact that teachers are striking creates what effectively constitutes a picket line and my kids aren't crossing it.

I want to know why there's still teaching staff in the school.
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I don't know if it's ok to ask - I guess some people would be offended and others wouldn't care
Some teachers will be NASUWT so not on strike (Although lots of NASUWT members at my school were going to cal lin sick or just tell the school they weren't coming in if the school had been open to pupils), some won't be unionised and there may even be a scab or two.
None of the support staff will be on strike - so if it's a receptionist or a home-school liaison who's called you they won't be on strike. Doesn't excuse them being snippy and well done for keeping your kid home - it's the right thing to do :)

My guess would be that enough of the teachers are NASUWT for the school to have enough staff in to cover a couple of years but not for yrs 7/8
 
ElizabethofYork said:
Who do you think should pay for the good pension and decent retirement?
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We already pay for it and the pensions were renegotiated years ago to ensure they were sustainable in the future.

The cost of public sector pensions is falling not rising.

The extra money will NOT be going into the pension pot, it will go to the treasury to pay for fuck ups that were not ours.

The average public sector pension is around 80 per week, hardly a fortune.

Do you think it's fair that I will pay an extra days pay per month and get less money? I'm already set for a 10% pay cut over 2 years because of inflation. Civil service pay is kept lower to fund our pensions so we are being robbed fucking blind.

My husband and I can't afford an extra 110 per month for our pensions so we will have to pull out altogether.

So think on before you start all that 'hardworking taxpayer' bullshit. Why don't you do a bit of fucking research instead of regurgitating what you saw in the wright stuff this morning.
 
ElizabethofYork said:
Typical striker's mentality. "I'm alright, sod the poor git who actually pays my wages".
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Or: "Fuck the teachers, nurses, social workers and so on, I'm alright Jack. I DEMAND MY RIGHTS!"

What do you do if your kid's ill on a school day? Send them in? Leave them at home by themselves?
 
I've just heard Matthew Elliott of the Taxdodgers Alliance say that public sector pensions are driving the deficit on BBC News. He wasn't challenged.
 
ElizabethofYork said:
Why do public sector workers think they should be treated better than private sector workers?
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They don't. They want private sector workers to fight for their rights to a decent pension, decent pay etc etc

Why should it be a race to the bottom? You've got us wrong, we want fairness for EVERY worker.
 
Why do public sector workers think they should be treated better than private sector workers?
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Why do some private sector workers have this attitude that public sector workers are being treated "better"?

Would you work for the National Minimum Wage?
 
nino_savatte said:
Why do some private sector workers have this attitude that public sector workers are being teated "better"?

Would you work for the National Minimum Wage?
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Yes. Lots of people do. And lots of people don't have a pension paid for by the taxpayer. We have to pay for our own private pension.
 
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