Looby
Well-Known Member
My exact job in the private sector attracts a salary increase of over 10k plus benefits.
This myth that we're living it up is laughable. Several of my colleagues have had to take second jobs just to pay the bills.
J30 strike: NUT, PCS, UCU, ATL call for a general strike on June 30th
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My exact job in the private sector attracts a salary increase of over 10k plus benefits.
This myth that we're living it up is laughable. Several of my colleagues have had to take second jobs just to pay the bills.
They don't they think everyone should have at the very least reasonable remuneration and reasonable pension provision.Because some in the private sector have been battered into submission doesn't mean we immediately drag everybody down to that pathetic state.
BigTom
Well-Known Member
I don't, I think Private Sector workers should be treated better (esp. wrt pensions)
Why do you think Private Sectors workers should be treated so badly?
When are you going to asnwer my other qwuestions, I have the courtesy to answe ryours, and without insults either..
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
You wouldn't work for the national minimum wage though. Would you?
Don't blame the public sector for your failure to organise in the workplace.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
So instead of attacking the forces of capital and privatisation that creates this situation, you attack fellow workers (those in the public sector)?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
The teachers pension scheme is in profit and is paid for entirely by the teachers themselves. So even your selfish and right wing argument can't really excuse attacking the scheme.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Nail/head
BigTom
Well-Known Member
umm.. everyone is entitled to a state pension aren't theyt?
and don't you think you should get a decent pension, contributed to by everyone in recognition of the work and contributions you've made to society?
Why do private sector workers feel they should be treated worse?
belboid
Exasperated, not angry.
paid for by the better wages in the private sector, and bailed out by the government quite recently too. you are getting just as big a pension subsidy from the government as public sector workers, just by a different route
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
It's a troll, imo.
Anyway. Lol - transcript of Maude getting caught out bullshitting on the radio by Evan Davies (props to him whoever he is)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2011/jun/30/politics-live-blog#block-6
Anyway. Lol - transcript of Maude getting caught out bullshitting on the radio by Evan Davies (props to him whoever he is)
http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/blog/2011/jun/30/politics-live-blog#block-6
ymu
Niall Ferguson's deep-cover sock-puppet
We pay for it. Only £4bn comes from the public purse, and that is because it is more efficient than the govt making higher employer contributions. The funds are in surplus from what we pay in.
The excess from the public purse is £4bn annually, projected to fall to £2.5bnn annually as the baby-boomers die
(). This is less that the cost of civil service errors in benefits and tax credit payments.Once more, you are being mugged off.
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
All parents I know have to take time off occasionally, or have other plans in place, to cope when their child is sick, or there is a snow day, or staff training or whatever. Among parents there is usually an understanding that sometimes the school can't look after your child. This surely isn't a total shock?
The taxpayer in this case is making up the 'employer contributions' to public pensions. Do you object to private pension schemes where the employer makes a contribution?
Peter Dow
Standard Bearer
STRIKE!
To get the real Fight The Cuts campaign under way full steam, the other fraudulent campaign against the cuts must be exposed as the sham it is.
I am talking about those Labour and nationalist MPs in the Westminster parliament who claim to oppose cuts yet who swear loyalty to the Queen whose government is imposing these cuts and indeed who aspire to become Queen's ministers of the crown and rule the kingdom for the Queen.
I am talking about members of the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly and Councillors who will claim to oppose the cuts yet who will be the very ones who will fail to raise local taxes to replace penny for penny every cut made, who will fail to take over responsibility to make welfare payments when the UK Department of Work and Pensions reduces or stops welfare payments and who instead will use the kingdom's police and courts to enforce the cuts and tame any popular resistance to the cuts.
I am talking about Trades Union Congress officials who will want to invite opposition politicians from parliaments, assemblies and councils to speak at stop-the-cuts rallies. They mean well but trade union leaders do not have the wits to see when politicians are playing politicians' games, posturing opposition but in reality surrendering to cuts.
Only when all these fake opponents to the cuts are exposed as worthless wind-bags who will sit back and allow cuts can the real Fight The Cuts campaign begin in earnest.
What is the test? The test is opposition or loyalty to the kingdom and its head of state, the Queen. To fight the cuts seriously we, the people, must call on our national military to fight the kingdom and fight its head of state, the Queen. We, the people, must be prepared to ask our military to kill the Queen if we are serious about killing her government's cuts.
Therefore take seriously any person claiming to fight the cuts who also calls for immediate military action against the royal family to exclude them from the country on pain of arrest, attack and assassination.
Given the choice between allowing the Queen's cuts and calling for the Queen's death - which choice does a politician claiming to oppose the cuts make?
Anyone who is for war against the Queen and her kingdom, as I am, is serious about fighting Her Majesty's Government's cuts, as I am.
Any politician or indeed any leader up on a stage with a microphone who is not for that war is not really serious about fighting cuts and is more concerned to keep in with the kingdom which has given them position in its bodies such as parliaments, assemblies and councils.
To get the real Fight The Cuts campaign under way full steam, the other fraudulent campaign against the cuts must be exposed as the sham it is.
I am talking about those Labour and nationalist MPs in the Westminster parliament who claim to oppose cuts yet who swear loyalty to the Queen whose government is imposing these cuts and indeed who aspire to become Queen's ministers of the crown and rule the kingdom for the Queen.
I am talking about members of the Scottish Parliament, Welsh Assembly and Councillors who will claim to oppose the cuts yet who will be the very ones who will fail to raise local taxes to replace penny for penny every cut made, who will fail to take over responsibility to make welfare payments when the UK Department of Work and Pensions reduces or stops welfare payments and who instead will use the kingdom's police and courts to enforce the cuts and tame any popular resistance to the cuts.
I am talking about Trades Union Congress officials who will want to invite opposition politicians from parliaments, assemblies and councils to speak at stop-the-cuts rallies. They mean well but trade union leaders do not have the wits to see when politicians are playing politicians' games, posturing opposition but in reality surrendering to cuts.
Only when all these fake opponents to the cuts are exposed as worthless wind-bags who will sit back and allow cuts can the real Fight The Cuts campaign begin in earnest.
What is the test? The test is opposition or loyalty to the kingdom and its head of state, the Queen. To fight the cuts seriously we, the people, must call on our national military to fight the kingdom and fight its head of state, the Queen. We, the people, must be prepared to ask our military to kill the Queen if we are serious about killing her government's cuts.
Therefore take seriously any person claiming to fight the cuts who also calls for immediate military action against the royal family to exclude them from the country on pain of arrest, attack and assassination.
Given the choice between allowing the Queen's cuts and calling for the Queen's death - which choice does a politician claiming to oppose the cuts make?
Anyone who is for war against the Queen and her kingdom, as I am, is serious about fighting Her Majesty's Government's cuts, as I am.
Any politician or indeed any leader up on a stage with a microphone who is not for that war is not really serious about fighting cuts and is more concerned to keep in with the kingdom which has given them position in its bodies such as parliaments, assemblies and councils.
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
ElizabethofYork, flailing around for an argument. It's quite amusing, really.
dylans
overlord of all acorns
It's not difficult to work out is it? I love my child. I want him to have the best start in life. That means I want him to have the best education possible, one that maximises his potential and gives him access to the opportunity for a good life. One better than I have. I want those things because I love my child. Now for him to have the best education possible it is necessary for him to have the best. The best resources and the best teachers. For him to have those things the profession needs to attract skilled motivated people into it and to do that the profession has to be attractive and that means pay, pensions and working conditions. For this reason I support those who are fighting for these things.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
No. I object to paying public sector workers' salary out of my taxes. Paying their pensions out of my tax. And then they stick two fingers up at me and force me to lose a day's salary because they don't think they're getting enough of my tax.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Have you ever considered ElizabethofYork that it might be time for those workers in the private sector to start fighting for their own pensions, conditions of employment, etc. rather than attacking fellow workers in the public sector instead?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
You object to paying for your child to have the best education possible. God forbid you or yours ever have an accident will you object to paying for decent doctors and nurses too? I'm sure if they tried they could find some kid that has done a 2 weeks first aid course to patch you up on the side of the road. Alternatively you could do it yourself from instructions off the internet. Think of the taxes you will save
Steel Icarus
ersatz maven
"Your" tax isn't your money though. It's taken before you get your wages to pay for stuff the country needs. NEEDS. Like teachers & their attendant pensions if they're not in their own scheme. For roads, for libraries.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
And you accuse others of being 'selfish', good grief!
I'd suggest you send your sprog to a private school then.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Well, if you don't want public services (btw, are you prepared to take your rubbish to the tip?) go and live in Somalia.
ElizabethofYork
Old Crone
The country doesn't NEED to pay for public sector workers to have better pensions than private sector workers.
stethoscope
Well-Known Member
Why are you not asking - why is capitalism and private industry fucking over my pensions?
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
Who do you think should pay for teachers' wages and pensions?
And we do think we're getting enough. We just don't want to get any less. The cost of public sector pensions as a proportion of GDP is falling.
nino_savatte
No pasaran!
Time for you to join a union then. No?
spanglechick
High Empress of Dressing Up
If pensions became worse, do you think the quality of teachers would go up, or down?
dylans
overlord of all acorns
She doesn't care if her kid has a second rate education. She hates her kid and selfishly wants him/her to suffer so she can save a bit of tax
'If you want quality you pay for it. Currently in education there is a race for the bottom - how can you get the cheapest provision. The biggest expense is staff and that is where the savings are being made - and if they deregulate any more you are going to have 'instructors' delivering 'online learning chunks'. There is a direct link between the terms and conditions of teachers and the quality of education your children get. Pensions may be the headline but its about a lot more than that. Whilst I am not naive enough to think that today's strike is going to resolve the crisis in education it may just wake people up a bit to the direction state education is going. It will cost you a lot more than a days wages if this shower of bastards are able to follow their plans to fruition - when you find yourself billed for extras (luxuries like humanities or art) and your kids being taught by unqualified staff it will be to late to restore the damage that has been done. '
This is an excellent post, its all a race to the bottom and private sector workers should realise 'we are all in it together'
This is an excellent post, its all a race to the bottom and private sector workers should realise 'we are all in it together'
