i happen to know enfield very well, its posh
the C2s and DEs live in edmonton btw and didnt vote for boris
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i happen to know enfield very well, its posh
the C2s and DEs live in edmonton btw and didnt vote for boris
butchersapron
Bring back hanging
It wasn't just about wages though was it? It was about lending capitals competing with each other to give mortages on the lowest rates to those earning the least. I think we need to look back to the mid 80s at least here, not just the last two years. Av wages in london are around well over £30 000 as well aren't they? A couuple - over 60 grand. Again, w/c does not just mean the poor - that's the point i'm making here.
Really?
Where do you live? Where did you go to School? Where do your parents live? CLOUD CUCKOO LAND.
i lived in tottenham for the best part of 10 years
But is that where you grew up and went to school? Or are you from the home counties?
newbie
undisambiguated
have there been any smears on this thread?
POSH BOY talks shit about class shock.
and how do you define posh
im an uneducated manual labourer and single parent btw, but its quite nice to be called posh
People who move down from posh bits of Cheshire and claim to come from Manchester or Liverpool....People who come to London from posh bits of Yorkshire and move to places like Tottenham and Stoke Newington....
you think shipleys posh
youre onto a loser here balders but feel free to carry on making a tit of yourself
to summarise your argument
white working class voted en masse for boris because they hated labour
enfield isnt posh and they voted for boris
enfield isnt posh because theyve got a labour mp
shipleys posh because its got a tory mp
i must be posh because i come from shipley
that makes me like someone who comes from chesire and claims to be from manchester
because im posh i cant have an opinion on class
white working class voted en masse for boris because they hated labour
enfield isnt posh and they voted for boris
enfield isnt posh because theyve got a labour mp
shipleys posh because its got a tory mp
i must be posh because i come from shipley
that makes me like someone who comes from chesire and claims to be from manchester
because im posh i cant have an opinion on class
newbie
undisambiguated
The displacement is not simply about the poor being pushed out by the rich. For a start many of those who've moved into inner London were born and raised abroad in much poorer environments than they've moved into. Certainly many others come from suburbs, home counties and further afield in the country, places that may well be better off, but they're ordinary and working class and they're moving to London because they see opportunity here (economic, social, cultural...). The key thing about them is not that they're rich but that they're young and educated.
There's been a major trend over recent decades whereby young, educated people move to a flatshare in the inner city, partner up, rent a place, prosper, buy a place, have children and then a few years later move out to somewhere with better schools. That's why the age profile stats are the shape they are.
Some of them go back to the suburbs. So long as inner London remains an attractive place to live, their children may well repeat that cycle.
goosegrease
Cheap fish products here
show your working class credentials at the door, please prior to entry.
Joe Reilly
Well-Known Member
The real differntial is to compare the Tory vote in
2004 - 676,178
and in
2009, 1,043,761
So either the middle class in London grew extravagantly in the intervening period, or elements not previously engaged decided to vote against Livingstone as happened in B&D and no doubt in wards across many other 'white flight' boroughs - or as you choose to describe them the 'suburbs'.
Try taking a stroll through the town centres of many of these 'suburbs' on any Saturday night and educate yourself on the real class character of the areas. LOL!
audiotech
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From your remarks I can see you've never been to Shipley.
or the middle class turned on boris
i occasionally have a drink with my landlady and her friends, all very middle class, but liberal - earning salaries upwards of 70k a year, all voted for ken first time round, and despised him by 2008 and were fucking eulogists for boris
shit anecdotal evidence i know, but theres absolutely nothing in the stats that suggest this wasnt a common phenomena - in fact they seem to confirm it
but class character is not the same as economic class is it - is richard littlejohn working class?
fact is all the statistics seem to bare out the fact that the more money you had the more likely you were to vote for boris, in the very poorest areas boris didnt even come close, in the richest he had a landslide
interesting debate tho aint it, when i get accused of being posh by someone defending people who earn more than me and live in an area i couldnt afford to live
if class is about shared economic interests then ive got way more shared interests with the working class nigerian family upstairs or the bangladeshis next door than i have with any home owning suburbanite on 30k+ a year
if class is about shared economic interests then ive got way more shared interests with the working class nigerian family upstairs or the bangladeshis next door than i have with any home owning suburbanite on 30k+ a year
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
in 2000 ken won because he wasn't labour and in 2004 he won despite being labour. in 2008 boris won because he wasn't ken. but with each year that passes, it must get easier for many people to vote tory as memory of the 1980s and 1990s fades.
cant disgree with that tbh
Yet you go out with your landlady and her posh mates who earn over 70k.....Wonder how often you go out with the Nigerians or Bangladeshis........
yeah about once every six months when i need to talk to her about something in the flat and we meet for a drink
is that ok?
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
Winner by tko in the fifth round......
Those figures do seem to suggest that despite all protests that the working class vote is not only up for grabs but that new labour are a recruiting ground for the right.In fact to vote BNP rather than Tory could be considered radical.
doesnt prove a thing, the tories didnt have a credible candidate in 2004, the middle classes hadnt yet turned on nl in the way they have and ken was yet to be hit by a wave of financial scandals
what tells the picture of whether wc folk voted for boris in is the figures for the vote in wc areas, which by and large, did not vote for boris
The39thStep
Urban critical thinker
In that case unless the working class has suddenly become the minority class in London or indeed Britain New labour have nothing to worry about. I will look forward to their victory at the next council elections in June next year and their fourth term in office. Our flag stays redken.
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