it seems the Tories are even worse than we thought!

[frogwoman]

LOL and £25 to piss on her grave. (Concessions for students, disabled people and ex-miners)

 

[T & P]

I can't see it - got a screenshot?

Damn it- moderators are at full speed now it seems.

It said something to the tune of "seeing some of the ideas that are being proposed here"

and when you clicked to enter you were presented with images of the Nazi flag and the BNP logo, stating underneath "most of you must be taking your ideas from this lot".

 

[Sasaferrato]

my mate just sent me THIS

This is a single issue newsletter asking for your urgent help in getting a government website closed down. The site, set up by the treasury to allow people to suggest ways to cut government spending, is full of hate-filled racist and disablist suggestions, including the sterilisation of benefits claimants, the return of the workhouse and the forced repatriation of asylum seekers and migrants. Some of the site’s content is so extreme it may even constitute a criminal offence.

The Spending Challenge website at

http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasury.gov.uk/


was set up on Friday by the coalition government and features an introduction and video on its home page by chancellor George Osborne.

In his video Osborne tells visitors that “Your government needs you, please get in touch” and the introduction assures visitors that:

“A team has been put together right at the heart of government and their job is to make sure that your ideas and comments are taken seriously - and that the best ideas are taken forward as part of the Spending Review.”

Yet these ideas and comments clearly demonstrate how the demonisation of claimants by successive governments has succeeded in promoting open and widespread hatred. One suggestion is to “Re-open the workhouses” for the unemployed, the elderly and asylum seekers. The poster goes on to suggest that:

“To prevent the problem of generations of poor people, release could be conditional on getting sterilised.”

Another idea entitled “Discouraging those who do not work from starting a family” goes on to say that:

“Where NHS staff have identified that a couple or single mother isn't in a position to support themselves and a child financially, they should be advised to terminate the pregnancy (if very early on), or be recommended to give the child up for adoption.”

Other ideas include:

“Benefits claimants to work in sweatshops” which urges the government to also send the unemployed to Afghanistan as cannon fodder;

“Let The Disabled Community Forge A New Industry” which suggests that disabled claimants should grow and sell cannabis for a living;

“Employ Crocodiles in Benefits Offices” to discourage claims;

the self-explanatory “Stop paying JSA etc to drunks, druggies & wastrels”; and

“Stop handing out free laptops and internet connections to the unemployed” in which the poster goes on to say that “I worked fifteen years before I could afford to buy myself a laptop, some toerag who's never worked a day in his life gets it courtesy of the State.”

Even where the initial post appears to be an attempt at humour or irony, the baying mob of supportive posters demonstrates that many others take the ideas seriously.

Equally disturbing and possibly criminal are the huge number of racist rants being published by the treasury.

In one suggestion “Move immigrants in council houses out of cities”, the original poster wants the coalition government to “Tell immigrants that they are being moved to less expensive areas. If they don't want to, they can leave the country.”

However, in a subsequent comment, another poster responds with “I'm not sure that I want to see immigrants living in our villages - keep them in the ghetto's until such time as they can all be deported.”

Many of the suggestions target specific groups such as Somalis and the site is littered with the most ugly and examples of ignorance and prejudice, many so extreme that we are not prepared to reproduce them,

The Public Order Act 1986 makes it an offence to publish material which is likely to stir up racial hatred. Benefits and Work believes that this is exactly the effect that the treasury website will have. The content may also be in breach of discrimination and harassment legislation. Whilst we do not have the legal knowledge to pursue this matter further, and don’t want to be accused of a publicity stunt, we hope that there are readers of this newsletter who will have both the knowledge and the sense of outrage to do so and that they will involve the police in investigating this site.

The site has a ‘Report to the moderator’ feature, but appears to be otherwise unmoderated. To leave the responsibility for policing a government website to members of the public instead of checking each submission before publishing it is, at best, inexcusably negligent and, at worst, criminally irresponsible. There are, in any case, so many vile sentiments being posted there, that it would be a full-time job to keep reporting them all.

If you are as revolted as we are by the use of taxpayers money to encourage racism and hatred of claimants, please consider doing the following:

Contact your MP today and ask them to tell the chancellor to close down this vile site, clean it up and don’t reopen it until it is properly policed;

Make a complaint to the Equalities and human Rights Commission at

http://www.equalityhumanrights.com/our-job/contact-us/

Two points, firstly, the ' we ' in the thread title should be ' I '. Secondly, the posts on the website are from the general public, not from the Conservative party.

I haven't looked at the site that you have linked to, I will in a moment, however, it does not surprise me that the views of the public at large are not in line with the ultra PC views of U75. ( Actually, ultra PC is not quite right, but you get the drift, U75 and the real world are poles apart. )

 

[_angel_]

Not social conditions, but social conditioning. Poverty and deprivation do not automatically create racism, but they do sometimes allow some bastard to come along and say, 'poor and deprived eh? It's because of that lot over there.' It can be nice to have someone to blame, and it benefits the people who are really responsible to shift the blame elsewhere. Before butchers jumps down my throat I should say that this kind of conditioning usually fails. Most people in this country know that there is no foundation to, nor excuse for, racist attitudes. But sometimes the lies do take hold and it's foolish to suggest that this doesn't happen. But I am unwilling to believe that racism can arise without some external provocation.

You know it's not just the poor who could use this argument. Quite often it's those who've got interests to protect that will perceive 'they' are after them.

 

[treelover]

'Here's my latest idea:

I propose that to bring down the cost of proceedings when the Iron Lady shuffles off this mortal coil, every step should be taken to speed up the process, perhaps by a low-budget, cost-effective method such as suffocation with a pillow. After all we never know what the inflation rate will be in a year or even in a month's time.'

Careful Froggie, if you post that up you may have a visit from special branch!

 

[frogwoman]

By the looks of it I'm going to get banned anyway ...

 

[trevhagl]

Two points, firstly, the ' we ' in the thread title should be ' I '. Secondly, the posts on the website are from the general public, not from the Conservative party.

I haven't looked at the site that you have linked to, I will in a moment, however, it does not surprise me that the views of the public at large are not in line with the ultra PC views of U75. ( Actually, ultra PC is not quite right, but you get the drift, U75 and the real world are poles apart. )

what would you call it if the BNP put up a website saying "give us your views on how to save money"?

the result would be the same - every knuckledragging Talk Sport phone in arsehole in the country jumping at their chance of 5 minutes of fame to make THEM look tame by comparison

If the Tories thought there was any chance of loads of people writing in saying "do away with the monarchy" "close millionaire tax loopholes" etc do you think they woulda put that webpage up?

 

[frogwoman]

http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/repealing-unnecessary-laws/murder-1/idea-view

one for you TL ...

 

[wemakeyousoundb]

More of mine:

http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasur...-small-animals-to-the-god-of-growth/idea-view

http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasur...ss/privatise-the-conservative-party/idea-view

5 stared those

privatising the NHS will cost more than it does now. just as network rail cost more than it did under nationalisation. if the tories were serious about cutting expenditure they would get rid of trident and end their involvement in afganistan.

wrong place, go to:
http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasury.gov.uk

 

[likesfish]

get physically fit benefit claimnets to fight to the death for £1000
show the resluting blood baths on pay per view tv

make squillions

 

[frogwoman]

Lol!

 

[Sasaferrato]

what would you call it if the BNP put up a website saying "give us your views on how to save money"?

the result would be the same - every knuckledragging Talk Sport phone in arsehole in the country jumping at their chance of 5 minutes of fame to make THEM look tame by comparison

If the Tories thought there was any chance of loads of people writing in saying "do away with the monarchy" "close millionaire tax loopholes" etc do you think they woulda put that webpage up?

I've just had a quick look. Liked the one that claimed the someone had ' sold their soles ', must make it difficult to walk.

A lot of the posts are obviously piss takes, interspersed with the usual shite from the idiots who will spout the shite at any given opportunity.

The site should either be closed or moderated, in my view some of the comments are indeed against the law.

There are some worthwhile suggestions, but it isn't worth the effort of plodding through the shite to read them.

It is somewhat reminiscent of the Private Eye spoof ' reader's views ' column ', except that some of the wankers no doubt actually believe what they have posted. The ones with the atrocious spelling and grammar are probably genuine views.

What do expect though, to put up an unmoderated site like that is lunacy.

 

[trevhagl]

I've just had a quick look. Liked the one that claimed the someone had ' sold their soles ', must make it difficult to walk.

A lot of the posts are obviously piss takes, interspersed with the usual shite from the idiots who will spout the shite at any given opportunity.

The site should either be closed or moderated, in my view some of the comments are indeed against the law.

There are some worthwhile suggestions, but it isn't worth the effort of plodding through the shite to read them.

It is somewhat reminiscent of the Private Eye spoof ' reader's views ' column ', except that some of the wankers no doubt actually believe what they have posted. The ones with the atrocious spelling and grammar are probably genuine views.

What do expect though, to put up an unmoderated site like that is lunacy.

yeah you're right about the Private Eye bit, funny as fuck that , love the username addresses on that.....worrying thing is they are REAL on that site!!

 

[frogwoman]

Whose was this?

http://spendingchallenge.hm-treasur...liver-more-for-less/take-advantage-of-obesity

 

[frogwoman]

Shit, I'm kind of worried after my margaret thatcher suggestion that they might arrest me! This isn't going to happen is it? Someone say something reassuring!

 

[_angel_]

Shit, I'm kind of worried after my margaret thatcher suggestion that they might arrest me! This isn't going to happen is it? Someone say something reassuring!

We're not America (yet)

 

[rollinder]

I have a feeling they've banned me - my logins not working, but by "kill kill kill the poor" Dead Kenedys lyric mass c&p quoteings still up there

eta: I'm not sure all the commenters realise I'm taking the piss and not an ultra right wing twat

 

[rollinder]

Own up, which of you posted this?
Spot the difference
OMGZ Cameron is Hitler!!11!!lolz

 

[ericjarvis]

Are you accusing Blagsta and butchers of this?

I'm saying that just about every time there is any discussion of how to deal with racism they (and a few others) basically lay into anyone making any positive suggestions claiming that they are being anti-working class. It's total bollocks and it's in danger of making it bloody difficult to make any comment on dealing with racism in the politics forum without being intimidated by aggressive and insulting posts.

 

[longdog]

They've banned me

 

[frogwoman]

I can still post

 

[rollinder]

They've deleted my work camps for the scroungers one but kept up my force Cameron to live on minimum wage/benefits one that I accidentally posted 3/4 times

and to whoever's got away with posting "abolish David Cameron" and "turn him upside down and see how many billions of pounds fall out of his pockets" I salute you both.

 

[trevhagl]

I have a feeling they've banned me - my logins not working, but by "kill kill kill the poor" Dead Kenedys lyric mass c&p quoteings still up there

eta: I'm not sure all the commenters realise I'm taking the piss and not an ultra right wing twat

dunno if this is great minds think alike but in my dole article in the new zine i actually use that as a headline

 

[trevhagl]

They've banned me

wonder if the knuckledraggers get banned? Or promoted to policy Tsar?

 

[frogwoman]

I have a feeling they've banned me - my logins not working, but by "kill kill kill the poor" Dead Kenedys lyric mass c&p quoteings still up there

eta: I'm not sure all the commenters realise I'm taking the piss and not an ultra right wing twat

they could be forgiven for thinking you were tbh given how many psychos are on that website ...

 

[Blagsta]

I'm saying that just about every time there is any discussion of how to deal with racism they (and a few others) basically lay into anyone making any positive suggestions claiming that they are being anti-working class. It's total bollocks and it's in danger of making it bloody difficult to make any comment on dealing with racism in the politics forum without being intimidated by aggressive and insulting posts.

I hope you're not referring to me.

 

[butchersapron]

I'm saying that just about every time there is any discussion of how to deal with racism they (and a few others) basically lay into anyone making any positive suggestions claiming that they are being anti-working class. It's total bollocks and it's in danger of making it bloody difficult to make any comment on dealing with racism in the politics forum without being intimidated by aggressive and insulting posts.

i.e yes, you are.

 

[butchersapron]

I hope you're not referring to me.

He is, totally.

 

[Streathamite]

Charge people £20 a piss in her drowning tank.

bugger, beat me to it!
and £10 to piss on her grave then

 

[Streathamite]

that website is both revealing and terrifying. No wonder the country's up shit st if there's that many braindead tools out there!