Is it wrong to eat animals that are clever?

[Pickman's model]

So your solution to solve it?

Soylent green

 

[Sprocket.]

Soylent green

Soylent green, the Godwin of animal rights threads!

 

[Pickman's model]

Soylent green, the Godwin of animal rights threads!

that's what i believe drringding would suggest people have

 

[Maggot]

Enid Blyton didn't write of idyllic rural farming; she did the famous five and secret seven. Maybe you mean Beatrix Potter

The Famous Five were always staying at farmhouses.

 

[Pickman's model]

The Famous Five were always staying at farmhouses.

there is a difference between 'staying in farmhouses' and 'idyllic ruralshire farming'. residence in farmhouses no guarantee of idyll.

e2a: i wonder if you might say in which of the 21 famous five novels they stop at a farmhouse. i suspect it's only one, 'five on finiston farm'

 

[chilango]

Enid Blyton didn't write of idyllic rural farming; she did the famous five and secret seven. Maybe you mean Beatrix Potter

This is a real place. I've been there. I'll be there again next week.

 

[chilango]

Rural idyll.

 

[chilango]

Look at that wonderful animal friendly friendly farming on the right. That's yer soya that is.

 

[chilango]

...and then onto the next stage of its journey.

 

[xenon]

Octapuses are amazing. Alas, I have eaten them. Pigs too which are also apparently intelligent and I've got no real qualms with eating dogs.

Allbeit I'm not conforming to the stereotype of meat eaters you get on here. i.e. stuffing burgers, stakes and chickens down my neck on a daily basis . I'd switch to lab meat, were it safe, tasty and affordable. Animal welfare does bother me but apparently not enough wen I'm hungry. Arguments that run you wouldn't eat meat if you had to butcher it yourself... Well, yeah I probably would. Had I grown up in an rural environment where this was the norm and become accustomed to the bloody realities.

 

[IC3D]

Look at that wonderful animal friendly friendly farming on the right. That's yer soya that is.

2% of that goes into soya for human consumption

Veganism & the Environment: Soy as Animal Feed

Try harder

 

[SpookyFrank]

Pigs may be clever but they're obstinate cunts. If I met a human as rude as that I'd think it was entirely reasonable to kill and eat them.

 

[chilango]

Try harder

Why?

My point isn't about the merits of meat eating vs. vegetarianism it's about lazily posting decontextualised photos to "prove" a point.

My own view is that all forms of industrialised farming are harmful to animals, and to the environment as a whole.

 

[SpookyFrank]

Rural idyll.

Now post a picture of a nice idyllic slaughterhouse.

 

[chilango]

Now post a picture of a nice idyllic slaughterhouse.

 

[IC3D]

chilango you failed to make any counter point by showing evidence of the harm the meat industry does to the environment. All the photos on this page show cruelty and environment destruction caused by mass production of meat

 

[andysays]

Why?

My point isn't about the merits of meat eating vs. vegetarianism it's about lazily posting decontextualised photos to "prove" a point.

My own view is that all forms of industrialised farming are harmful to animals, and to the environment as a whole.

You've surely been here long enough to know that this sort of approach (indeed any position more complex than "meat-eating and meat-eaters bad; vegetarianism and vegetarians really really good and beyond all criticism") will have some of the more dogmatic posters here baying for blood (sic).

 

[chilango]

 

[LDC]

Are we really already at the point where we need to say it's capitalism that's the problem, not meat eating per se?

 

[chilango]

chilango you failed to make any counter point by showing evidence of the harm the meat industry does to the environment. All the photos on this page show cruelty and environment destruction caused by mass production of meat

I don't need to.

I don't dispute that the mass industrialised production of meat is harmful.

I agree with you.

But simply going veggie is not the answer to that - on its own.

 

[Pickman's model]

Are we really already at the point where we need to say it's capitalism that's the problem, not meat eating per se?

yeh fight the real enemy

 

[SpookyFrank]

Remove capitalism and present levels of meat consumption would still create a massive environmental problem.

 

[SpookyFrank]

But simply going veggie is not the answer to that - on its own.

It's closer to the answer than not going veggie though.

 

[Maggot]

there is a difference between 'staying in farmhouses' and 'idyllic ruralshire farming'. residence in farmhouses no guarantee of idyll.

e2a: i wonder if you might say in which of the 21 famous five novels they stop at a farmhouse. i suspect it's only one, 'five on finiston farm'

A quick search reveals you to be wrong.

I just looked up three of the 21, and in two they visit farmhouses: Five go on a hike together and Five go adventuring again.

 

[chilango]

yeh fight the real enemy

 

[Pickman's model]

A quick search reveals you to be wrong.

I just looked up three of the 21, and in two they visit farmhouses: Five go on a hike together and Five go adventuring again.

i think what you mean is that *you* were wrong, to claim 'they were always staying in farmhouses'.

 

[purves grundy]

I had some monitor lizard in Laos, in a forest, on May Day, with some Communist officials, in 1997. I felt pretty guilty tbh - my moral line generally divides wildlife from domesticated aminals - but it was an opportunity I thought I'd never get again. (proven correct thus far)

 

[LDC]

Remove capitalism and present levels of meat consumption would still create a massive environmental problem.

Present levels of meat consumption are only possible under capitalism.

 

[chilango]

It's closer to the answer than not going veggie though.

Not necessarily.

raising chickens etc. and having the occasional hunted game meat will be environmentally better than living off quorn sausages, microwaveable veggie lasagne and strawberries transported for 1000s of miles so that you can buy 'em in the winter in Tesco.

 

[LDC]

After the revolution we'll all be eating insects and fish I think, as aren't they the best source of protein for the least ecological impact? (Aquaculture I mean, not industrial trawling before someone gets their knickers in a twist.)