Is it wrong to eat animals that are clever?

[weltweit]

I would suggest a re-examination. God....or more to the point religion has influenced the culture youve grown up in. And thus you are affected by 'god' regardless if youre a believer or not.

Yes, that is true, it (they have) has influenced .. life and food ..

 

[DrRingDing]

Anyhow I think eating animals is not the same as abusing them. Keeping them in good condition, for a period, then slaughtering them - needs not be cruel.

Define 'good condition'.

 

[weltweit]

Define 'good condition'.

Frolicking in the fields ..

 

[DrRingDing]

Frolicking in the fields ..

With farmer giles, hunched over his crook next to a babbling brook. "Come on Daisy! Time for milking".

 

[DrRingDing]

Your Enid Blyton fantasy of idylic ruralshire farming is not what feeds the supermarkets. Its animal rearing on a mind bending industrial scale in battery conditions.

 

[DrRingDing]

Phwoar!

 

[weltweit]

Your Enid Blyton fantasy of idylic ruralshire farming is not what feeds the supermarkets. Its animal rearing on a mind bending industrial scale in battery conditions.

Indeed, I don't think mass cheap meat is necessarily a good thing. At least not for animal welfare. But it is hard for people to argue with a sub £5.00 chicken when free range is £6.50 plus.

 

[DrRingDing]

Indeed, I don't think mass cheap meat is necessarily a good thing. At least not for animal welfare. But it is hard for people to argue with a sub £5.00 chicken when free range is £6.50 plus.

Really hard.

 

[weltweit]

Really hard.

There have been programs about it, including from Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall where he failed to persuade many people to buy free range organic chicken, despite persuasive evidence.

 

[DrRingDing]

There have been programs about it, including from Hugh Fearnley Whittingstall where he failed to persuade many people to buy free range organic chicken, despite persuasive evidence.

Old Etonian Hugh Fearnly-wotshischops wasnt able to persuade a few people to change their behaviour?

Shocking.

 

[tim]

How anyone can eat an octopus is beyond me. There's as cool as fuck.

They're also jolly tasty.

 

[BigMoaner]

Ideally we can still eat meat AND the animals don't get abused.

 

[DrRingDing]

Ideally we can still eat meat AND the animals don't get abused.

With around 22 million animals slaughtered in the uk a day. Thats an awful of of tlc that farmer giles has to give.

A more picky person may suggest killing is a form of abuse.

Depends on how cute you are i suppose.

 

[tim]

Utter nonsense.

Chicken tastes great, as does beef, pork, lamb, prawns, and just about every other animal.

Are you sure? Most times I've eaten game I've been underwhelmed and I also know that boar taint is a problem that makes much pig meat inedible.Boar taint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. My asumption is that many of our four-legged friends are rather unpalatable.

 

[BigMoaner]

Bam eating meat then? Ration it? Solutions? I think the aim should be good standards and welfare, not we all become vegetarians.

 

[BigMoaner]

Above to ring ding

 

[sleaterkinney]

With farmer giles, hunched over his crook next to a babbling brook. "Come on Daisy! Time for milking".

I've been in milking parlours similar to that and I would doubt if any of those cows are suffering. But in any case it's an argument about animal welfare, not an argument against eating meat.

 

[DrRingDing]

Are you sure? Most times I've eaten game I've been underwhelmed and I also know that boar taint is a problem that makes much pig meat inedible.Boar taint - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia. My asumption is that many of our four-legged friends are rather unpalatable.

Got to be castrated to help prevent boar taint.

 

[DrRingDing]

Bam eating meat then? Ration it? Solutions? I think the aim should be good standards and welfare, not we all become vegetarians.

Good standards and welfare? 22 million animals a day slaughtered?

22 million.

 

[DrRingDing]

I've been in milking parlours similar to that and I would doubt if any of those cows are suffering. But in any case it's an argument about animal welfare, not an argument against eating meat.

Quite. Eating meat has fuck all to do with animal welfare.

 

[BigMoaner]

Can't the boffins make meat? If they can build fucking ipads and the internet, etc, surely they can make some meat. All the animals can be free then.

 

[BigMoaner]

Good standards and welfare? 22 million animals a day slaughtered?

22 million.

So your solution to solve it?

 

[DrRingDing]

Can't the boffins make meat? If they can build fucking ipads and the internet, etc, surely they can make some meat. All the animals can be free then.

It's coming.......Meet the startups 3D printing living cells, editing genes and growing meat in laboratories

But remember the meat industry is powerful. Grown meat to stop cruelty and environmental damage may be a long wait.

 

[DrRingDing]

So your solution to solve it?

Stop supplying money to the meat industry.

 

[BigMoaner]

Re the invention of meat, What an awesome day that'd be.

 

[Purdie]

Can't the boffins make meat? If they can build fucking ipads and the internet, etc, surely they can make some meat. All the animals can be free then.

They do/did in the Netherlands. And it's prohibitively expensive according to wiki In vitro meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[Saul Goodman]

I'm an animal lover, but if it's a choice between me starving and me me eating... point me to those well-fed humans!

I don't care what I eat, so long as I eat.

 

[Maggot]

Some sort of insect based diet is probably best for the environment but it's a gamble whether when we have first contact the aliens will be closer related to them or calamari. Just a gamble really.

 

[Pickman's model]

Your Enid Blyton fantasy of idylic ruralshire farming is not what feeds the supermarkets. Its animal rearing on a mind bending industrial scale in battery conditions.

Enid Blyton didn't write of idyllic rural farming; she did the famous five and secret seven. Maybe you mean Beatrix Potter

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm an animal lover, but if it's a choice between me starving and me me eating... point me to those well-fed humans!

I don't care what I eat, so long as I eat.

Liz Windsor?