Is it left wing to tolerate crack dealers?
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phildwyer said:
fucking loser this is my real name
Are you for real or just some crack pot wanker, how will you hunt me down you fucking normski
Your straw man threats mean nothing, im not repeating my humouross comment re read it your self, then you can hunt me down like the predator.
phildwyer said:
you really are gullable
phildwyer said:
Take my lack of spelling as indication of my hard knock life
correct or not you are the mugs, 'mug'
snadge said:
some would say a dysfunctional personality and crack pot
snadge said:
Well, just to attempt a serıous dıscussıon (I know, I know, but stıll) sınce you now know what 'dısproportıonately' means, do you accept that people convıcted of drug dealıng ın the UK are dısproportıonately black? And ıf you do, how do you explaın thıs fact?
phildwyer said:
how would you explain it phil the pill, i mean you are always crystal clear and on the button.
Herbert Read said:
OK, all jıbes asıde, I would explaın ıt by sayıng that drug dealıng ıs often the last resort of people who are systematıcally deprıved of other opportunıtıes to make a decent lıvıng. Thıs conclusıon leads me to adopt a less punıtıve attıtude towards drug dealers than others on thıs thread. Over to you.
snadge said:
You,d lıke to thınk ıt has no place, because you,d lıke to thınk that people become drug dealers because they,re evıl, predatory scum preyıng off the communıty. You refuse to even consıder the wıder socıal cırcumstances that lead people to deal drugs, because ıt ınterferes wıth your reactıonary, Daıly Maılıan vıew of the world and thus causes you to lose sleep at nıght.
tobyjug said:
Respect to you Toby, sınce you,re one of the few people on thıs thread who ıs not a blatant hypocrıte. But, ıf I,m not mıstaken, 'locally' for you ıs the Lızard, Cornwall, rıght? That,s hardly typıcal of the UK drug scene. Would you really want to make the same claım about Brıxton, for example?
snadge said:
Without seeing some data for the ethnic mix of the area compared to the ethnic mix of the dealers I am not in a position to make a comment.
Even then one would need to compare the unemployment rates of each ethnicity, the educational qualifications, did they, have they have a working male as a mentor ect. (Basically one needs to delve a hell of a lot deeper before making rash statements about a certain ethnicity being more likely to be a particular type of criminal)
Harold Shand
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Phil, crack and coke are different forms, taken differently, bought by different people and often sold by different people too. That's two different markets in my book.
Now you're right that coke users on here and elsewhere turn a blind eye to the broader effects of what they buy, like drug mules and turf wars. But you weren't talking about that. You were saying it was hypocritical to buy coke from someone who dealt discretely and then to condemn people who deal in something different in a different way.
The class divide on tolerating or not drug dealing is by no means as pronounced as you suggest. Much more of a generation divide. The older people are more scared and less tolerant. The middle class objectors just have more clout and it becomes news but that's not to say they are in the wrong.
I agree with you about the social factors that lead people in to crack dealing. But tolerating it doesn't do anything to tackle those factors. In fact, making it easier for them to enter that market is likely to lead to them being shot by people already there. Hardly a progressive policy.
Now you're right that coke users on here and elsewhere turn a blind eye to the broader effects of what they buy, like drug mules and turf wars. But you weren't talking about that. You were saying it was hypocritical to buy coke from someone who dealt discretely and then to condemn people who deal in something different in a different way.
The class divide on tolerating or not drug dealing is by no means as pronounced as you suggest. Much more of a generation divide. The older people are more scared and less tolerant. The middle class objectors just have more clout and it becomes news but that's not to say they are in the wrong.
I agree with you about the social factors that lead people in to crack dealing. But tolerating it doesn't do anything to tackle those factors. In fact, making it easier for them to enter that market is likely to lead to them being shot by people already there. Hardly a progressive policy.
ViolentPanda
Hardly getting over it.
phildwyer said:
I agree with your point about a disproportionate amount of the black working class being convicted of (low-level) drug dealing (and other, to use the new phrase, "street crimes"), that's a matter of long record (as is the significantly lower conviction rate of those white/and or middle class people charged with the same group of offences).
I also agree with your statement above, but I feel it's necessary to point out that a large part of both problems reside in institutional and structural causes rather than in your accusations of racism against specific groups within communities (which may or may not be valid but appear to me to be beside the point)
Blagsta
Minimum cage, maximum cage
phildwyer said:
Crack is just a cheap and dirty way of freebasing, i.e. removing the hydrochloride salt. This makes cocaine into a form that can be smoked. Freebasing came about by dealers wanting to know the purity of their cocaine. If you wash up a gram and get a rock weighing 0.6g then your coke was 60% pure. Crack is just a way of freebasing that doesn't involve messing about with dangerous things like ether (think Richard Pryor setting himself alight). Washing up coke with bicarb or ammonia makes it purer, although its a dirty method compared to freebasing with ether. Although dealers can fuck about with it to make it stretch, further decreasing purity. Generally though, crack is purer than powder coke.
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