Is it left wing to tolerate crack dealers?

[likesfish]

i think we are talking at cross purpose's here
problomatic drug use is not going to sorted by toby jug and my self going on a tour of the countrys crap estates with a machinegun mounted on a side car
niether is it going to be solely solved by[COLOR=DarkSlateGray] listening to addicts and user groups.
Yes there views have to be taken into account.[/COLOR]
But the wider communitys safety and security should have the priority.
from my limited experiance of a fairly wide range of poor people there is some limted sympathy for drug addicts. which rapidly diminishes if you have to deal with them on a day to day basis.
the delightful habit of disposing of sharpes in a inconsiderate manner even when there is a needle exchange. or in the case of a hostel where I worked given a massive sharps bin and told repeatidly "we don't care if sharpes are tidyed away or in the sharps bin just don't leave them lieing around in full view. "
) thank winter comfort for that ) isn't going to win you friends

 

[cathal marcs]

i think we are talking at cross purpose's here
problomatic drug use is not going to sorted by toby jug and my self going on a tour of the countrys crap estates with a machinegun mounted on a side car

that would be a crackin movie

Anyhow im gonna shoot up with some of my boho mates its sooooo arty maaan

 

[likesfish]

wallace and gromit meets tarantino although I'd want one of the puppets from team
america to play me

 

[Blagsta]

I never said it was the answer. However, the majority of people born into the poorer end of society do not form a drug addiction.

No, they don't. But do you know why a lot of people get a habit? Suppressing feelings of guilt and shame and self hatred and disgust of being a victim of childhood abuse.

In my experience they are the people most likely to hold those who do in contempt.

As I said - not ime.

It is the attitudes of those that put the interests of the perpetrators of crime, or those who choose the path of addiction, before those who become their victims that goes a long way towards explaining why radical politics is held in contempt by the vast majority of those they are meant to be aimed at.

You have a very simplistic binary view of the issue.

 

[snadge]

No, they don't. But do you know why a lot of people get a habit? Suppressing feelings of guilt and shame and self hatred and disgust of being a victim of childhood abuse.



As I said - not ime.



You have a very simplistic binary view of the issue.

So do you blagsta, I've been reading with interest until you came out with that.

sometimes people say things because people want to hear them.

 

[Blagsta]

So do you blagsta, I've been reading with interest until you came out with that.

So me saying that some dealers are also people with habits and that people with habits are often very damaged people and calling them scum is unhelpful translates to a simplistic binary view? How does that work then?

sometimes people say things because people want to hear them.

You've lost me.

 

[snadge]

So me saying that some dealers are also people with habits and that people with habits are often very damaged people and calling them scum is unhelpful translates to a simplistic binary view? How does that work then?



You've lost me.

I agree calling addicts as scum is extremely unhelpful.

there are a vast amount of damaged people around and most don't turn to addiction.

A lot of people, when having to explain their actions will call upon a tried and trusted explanation.

an addict- abused childhood

BTW I have done work with counselling, remember for every 1 person that has a genuine "abused" childhood there are another three that will spout shite because it works.

 

[Ryazan]

I agree calling addicts as scum is extremely unhelpful.

there are a vast amount of damaged people around and most don't turn to addiction.

A lot of people, when having to explain their actions will call upon a tried and trusted explanation.

an addict- abused childhood

BTW I have done work with counselling, remember for every 1 person that has a genuine "abused" childhood there are another three that will spout shite because it works.

Myself, abused childhood- Not an addict.

What crap you talk. You are far too cynical for counselling methinks.

 

[snadge]

Myself, abused childhood- Not an addict.

What crap you talk. You are far too cynical for counselling methinks.

me as well mate, I was abused also-not addict ( but I like a smoke ),the thing was I worked with an agency that dealt with "last chance" addicts, repeat criminals, some were extremely nasty people and the cynicism coming out of those twats was enough to make me stop doing it.


Trouble was it was run by wooly liberals who grasped on every fucking false word that was said, and off they scurried to finish their findings.

 

[butchersapron]

Trouble was it was run by wooly liberals who grasped on every fucking false word that was said, and off they scurried to finish their findings.

Like that court case with the author you mean? Scurried off a few months back.

 

[snadge]

Like that court case with the author you mean?

and you can follow the thread to see if I'm lying or not

daft cunt

 

[butchersapron]

** and you can follow the thread to see if I'm lying or not

daft cunt

This proves what exactly fantasist? Which court and when? Thanks.

 

[snadge]

This proves what exactly fantasist? Which court and when? Thanks.

either put something worthwhile on this thread or take your face for a shite.

I shared an experience, get over it, by the way I never went to court but had a load of shite over it.


if you follow that thread from a mailing list I was on you will see that.

you're not after that though are you?

 

[butchersapron]

Which court, which case number and which title, who represented you as well. You should know all these. Unless you want to look like a liar. Which you do.

"take your face for a shite." this sounds familiar as well.

 

[sihhi]

So black people who are against drug dealing in w/c communities are... ???

Drug dealers are disproportionally black. A lot of the hatred directed against them is un- or semi-conscious racism

So black people who are against drug dealing in w/c communities are... ???

Why were the Nation of Islam gaining in strength in the early 1990s until they started opening their mouths too much? In large part because of their 100% opposition to drug dealers in black ghetto areas.

Back in the 1960s before massive police repression the Black Panthers became popular in part because of their attitude to drug-dealing

Serious revolutionaries didn't do heroin, cocaine, or any drugs at all. Anybody who did drugs we expelled. The Panther Party was anti-drugs. The Panther Party, the Young Lords, and maybe the IWK on the East Coast used to go out, grab the drug dealers, and beat the crap out of them.
If one came back, you'd go get a gun, put it up to guy's head saying
--If you come back here, you're fucked.

From Black Panthers Speak by Philip Foner

In Cape Town, South Africa in 1996-7 when there was a huge organisation of vigilante groups in the slums to threaten with death any dealers attached to the Staggie "Hard Living Kids" drug ring. A group of about five hundred ended up capturing and murdering Raashad Staggie unlike 'turn a blind eye as long as it stays in the townships' police (who weren't back then and aren't now in any sense soft). As a result of it and similar actions the open sale of hard drugs in Cape Town was basically cut out.

 

[snadge]

Which court, which case number and which title, who represented you as well. You should know all these. Unless you want to look like a liar. Which you do.

"take your face for a shite." this sounds familiar as well.

can you quote me where I said it ended up in court?

 

[butchersapron]

can you quote me where I said it ended up in court?

Sure:

"No, it doesn't interest me enough to spend gawd knows how much time to do it.

I have done it before and got into quite a bit of trouble with an American author.
I bought a synthesiser book from the only place that seemed to stock it ( publisher) and was charged 60 quid when I recieved it it was badly photocopied and bound, a lot of people were interested in this book on a list that I'm on, so I scanned it and made it available, cue threatening letters from the authors lawyer, after a dialouge where I explained my reasons for doing it there was a court case for unpaid royalties from the publisher ( they were photocopying and selling them but keeping the originals ) I recieved a personal letter of thanks from the author and a free original book."

http://www.urban75.net/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=3889810&postcount=99

 

[snadge]

Sure:

"No, it doesn't interest me enough to spend gawd knows how much time to do it.

I have done it before and got into quite a bit of trouble with an American author.
I bought a synthesiser book from the only place that seemed to stock it ( publisher) and was charged 60 quid when I recieved it it was badly photocopied and bound, a lot of people were interested in this book on a list that I'm on, so I scanned it and made it available, cue threatening letters from the authors lawyer, after a dialouge where I explained my reasons for doing it there was a court case for unpaid royalties from the publisher ( they were photocopying and selling them but keeping the originals ) I recieved a personal letter of thanks from the author and a free original book."




And where on earth does that say "I" was in court you idiot, the fucking author took his publishers to court, I recieved a free book.


apology please

ps stop derailing threads with your sad oneupmanship.

pps would you like me to take a photo of the book you really sad cunt

 

[butchersapron]

1) "can you quote me where I said it ended up in court?"

") "cue threatening letters from the authors lawyer, after a dialouge where I explained my reasons for doing it there was a court case for unpaid royalties from the publisher"

'It' did end up in court by your own telling. Not that we've had a scintilla of proof that anything happened other than you promised to scan something.

 

[snadge]

1) "can you quote me where I said it ended up in court?"

") "cue threatening letters from the authors lawyer, after a dialouge where I explained my reasons for doing it there was a court case for unpaid royalties from the publisher"

'It' did end up in court by your own telling. Not that we've had a scintilla of proof that anything happened other than you promised to scan something.

follow the thread you really. really sad cunt, you know the link where it's apparent it's me writing the email.

stop derailing and if you think I'm lying so much start ya own thread.



apology please............

 

[butchersapron]

follow the thread you really. really sad cunt, you know the link where it's apparent it's me writing the email.

stop derailing and if you think I'm lying so much start ya own thread.

apology please............

Yeah it's you saying you'll scan something. As i said. Well done you offerd to scan something. This in no way proves that anything else happened, it doesn't prove that ehere was a court case, it doesn't prove that anything went to court, it doesn't prove anything other than you promising a list you'd scan a book.

 

[snadge]

Yeah it's you saying you'll scan something. As i said. Well done you offerd to scan something. This in no way proves that anything else happened, it doesn't prove that ehere was a court case, it doesn't prove that anything went to court, it doesn't prove anything other than you promising a list you'd scan a book.

check my last edit cunt, also date stamped

 

[snadge]

Yeah it's you saying you'll scan something. As i said. Well done you offerd to scan something. This in no way proves that anything else happened, it doesn't prove that ehere was a court case, it doesn't prove that anything went to court, it doesn't prove anything other than you promising a list you'd scan a book.

it also proves you just wanna say something.

 

[butchersapron]

check my last edit cunt, also date stamped

Nope, some people replying to your promise and saying that your scanning is shit and some saying it's ok. This proves that your court case and wider story is true in what way?

 

[snadge]

Nope, some people replying to your promise and saying that your scanning is shit and some saying it's ok. This proves that your court case and wider story is true in what way?

you really are desperate aren't you.

*From Mountain Man = <mtman@cloud9.net>
This is great! Thanks so = much!

The scanning actually looks quite = good, but I'm seeing some artifacts that
don't look like scanner = glitches. For example, in the index 9.09 and 9.10 are
superimposed on top of each = other. Anyone else see this? Is it a pdf problem?

Elby

what does that mean?

 

[butchersapron]

Haven't you got something more official? Rather than cached old-emails from weirdo lists? I believe that you scanned the book, that's not a problem.

 

[butchersapron]

you really are desperate aren't you.

Are you mad? All that say is that you tried to scan something.

what does that mean?

That you tried to scan something and it looked fine but not all over.

 

[snadge]

you really are desperate aren't you.





what does that mean?

I'll tell you, I haven't got a problem with you at all butchers, you seem t5o have a problem with me, if you want to carry on that attitude, no skin of my nose, carry on, I'll just call you a coward, I've given you evidence of what I did, you can't get it though.

You have a lot of sensible things to say, it's a shame they get lost in your vitriol and your oneupmanship.


move on for fuck's sake...

 

[butchersapron]

Merry fucking xmas

 

[snadge]

Are you mad? All that say is that you tried to scan something.



That you tried to scan something and it looked fine but not all over.

first point, probably but you're more so

second point, but it proves I did, you sad cunt

now apologise or is it too much for you