Is Elon Musk the greatest visionary or the greatest snake oil salesman of our age?

[weltweit]

I guess it might depend on whom you rely for your own employment?

No, no it doesn't.

It does for me, I have only worked in the private sector, for a PLC, for SMEs and for myself, all of those positions were tenuous, only there while the section / division / product group whatever was profitable. To believe that this has not shaped my thinking would be unkind.

 

[weltweit]

It’s almost as if people and groups benefiting from absurd concentrations of power use it to perpetuate and enhance their position

Don't interest groups fund whichever side their views are most compatible with?

There are a lot more averagely, and below, paid voters than there are billionaires, so even given the biased right wing media, UK Labour should (post Blair) still be able to win a general election.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

I'm sorry, I'm not going to do "real world 101", I really don't have the time or energy. Wow people vote against their own interests how does that happen like maybe there are problems with this system. Wow rich people use their money to keep them rich and make them richer. Srsly.

 

[starfish]

Trump is the greatest snake oil salesman of our age. Musk has potential but needs to focus a bit more.

 

[snadge]

He’s managed to ruin launching shit into space, for God’s sake.

I

Still waiting for the answer to the previously asked for explanation.

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Still waiting for the answer to the previously asked for explanation.

?

 

[snadge]

?

Twas asked how he has <ruined launching into space>.

 

[magneze]

Don't interest groups fund whichever side their views are most compatible with?

There are a lot more averagely, and below, paid voters than there are billionaires, so even given the biased right wing media, UK Labour should (post Blair) still be able to win a general election.

So what do you think might be happening?

 

[FridgeMagnet]

Twas asked how he has <ruined launching into space>.

Tbh I'm not going to repeat all of this stuff every time.

 

[snadge]

Tbh I'm not going to repeat all of this stuff every time.

Ok, I've followed this thread for a long time and nowhere have I read an explanation for that accusation.

A link would be acceptable.

 

[weltweit]

So what do you think might be happening?

Bit odd to answer a question with a question.

 

[snadge]

Bit odd to answer a question with a question.

This whole thread is a bit odd, strange to be blaming all the space woes on a bloke that is chucking his own money at it instead of focusing on NASA who have squandered billions upon billions on doing fucking nothing except low earth orbits.

 

[magneze]

Bit odd to answer a question with a question.

Not really. Yours seemed rhetorical.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

This whole thread is a bit odd, strange to be blaming all the space woes on a bloke that is chucking his own money at it instead of focusing on NASA who have squandered billions upon billions on doing fucking nothing except low earth orbits.

Yeah, NASA, who have nothing beyond LEO.

 

[weltweit]

Not really. Yours seemed rhetorical.

You answer mine and I will answer yours!

 

[magneze]

You answer mine and I will answer yours!

OK, then.

Yes, they do.

Over to you.

 

[redsquirrel]

It does for me, I have only worked in the private sector, for a PLC, for SMEs and for myself, all of those positions were tenuous, only there while the section / division / product group whatever was profitable. To believe that this has not shaped my thinking would be unkind.

What does this even mean? Unkind to who? Your bosses?

 

[snadge]

Yeah, NASA, who have nothing beyond LEO.

Are you talking about the moon landings ( 1969) or satelites that are now extra solar?

They don't do any of that shit anymore and are funded by taxpayer, spaceX undercuts any NASA sattelite launch nowadays as do the Russians, NASA are a joke.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Are you talking about the moon landings ( 1969) or satelites that are now extra solar?

They don't do any of that shit anymore and are funded by taxpayer, spaceX undercuts any NASA sattelite launch nowadays as do the Russians, NASA are a joke.

Just testing your level of knowledge here, but have you heard of Curiosity?

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Just testing your level of knowledge here, but have you heard of Curiosity?

Or Juno

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Just testing your level of knowledge here, but have you heard of Curiosity?

Did New Horizons pass you by?

 

[snadge]

Just testing your level of knowledge here, but have you heard of Curiosity?

Oh yes, Mars rover extraordinaire, NASA fucked up the Euro version due to being exceptional, even though metric blueprints are the norm.

 

[weltweit]

So what do you think might be happening?

It always seems there are loads more voters that should vote labour if they followed their real interests such that labour should win numerous elections. But they don't and I don't really know why.

As to the rich taking steps to stay rich, do bears poo in the woods?

 

[snadge]

Did New Horizons pass you by?

Whatever you come up with to excuse NASA does not cover the Billions they have wasted without pushing frontiers.

 

[weltweit]

What does this even mean? Unkind to who? Your bosses?

I was explaining my thinking, and why I think as I do.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Oh yes, Mars rover extraordinaire, NASA fucked up the Euro version due to being exceptional, even though metric blueprints are the norm.

Opportunity is rover extraordinaire. You've heard of that right?

 

[redsquirrel]

I was explaining my thinking, and why I think as I do.

That doesn't help at all. Your post makes absolutely no sense.

 

[TheHoodedClaw]

Oh yes, Mars rover extraordinaire, NASA fucked up the Euro version due to being exceptional, even though metric blueprints are the norm.

Forums poster snadge reckons landing something workable on Mars ain't no thing.

 

[snadge]

Forums poster snadge reckons landing something workable on Mars ain't no thing.

You missed my point, by a metric mile.

NASA have had ridiculous amounts of funding, screwed up any body else trying to get into the game and still haven't done anything comparable to the moon landing, getting something unmanned onto Mars is no where near as impressive as getting men on the moon in fucking 1969.

Unmanned objects is far easier than getting manned stuff anywhere.

 

[weltweit]

That doesn't help at all. Your post makes absolutely no sense.

I explained why my experience of getting all my employment in the private sector affected my thinking about people that create such jobs. I suggested that my experience shaped my way of thinking and that your different way of thinking probably arose from your different employment experiences. You misunderstood this.