Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Sprocket.]

The only last resort left I’d have thought.

There’s always Cleethorpes!

 

[Pickman's model]

There’s always Cleethorpes!

papa's fish and chips on cleethorpes pier is worth a visit to northeast lincolnshire for all on its own

 

[brogdale]

Hold on...Carshalton & Wallington's 'white knight' wades in with his iron fist!



Is this actually happening?

 

[DotCommunist]

Is Rory the Tory still planning on setting up his alternate parliament in the nearest spoons

 

[brogdale]

Is Rory the Tory still planning on setting up his alternate parliament in the nearest spoons

I'd go to the visitors gallery...as long as they still kept the £1.89/pint going.

 

[Pickman's model]

Hold on...Carshalton & Wallington's 'white knight' wades in with his iron fist!

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Is this actually happening?

we're not in kansas now

 

[Yossarian]

the latest headlines in the mail show themselves unconcerned
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They might update it later if Johnson displays sideboob and unsightly cankles on his way to ask the Queen to suspend Parliament.

 

[Teaboy]

The country is not in crisis, everyone is just getting on fine with the day to day. This is not a war and we're not about to be invaded. Its just a political dead lock. It would be extraordinary if the Queen thinks this is OK to suspend what we feebly call democracy.

If she agrees now then what next? It sets a beautiful precedent for every time a government can't get want it wants it just kicks and screams and shuts down Parliament

 

[brogdale]

we're not in kansas now

More to the point; this will give the fucking yellow tories a couple of days to swallow Swinson's over-blown pride and actually support a Corbyn VoNC. Otherwise they will go down as complicit with the tories...again.

Simple really, innit?

 

[killer b]

It would be extraordinary if the Queen thinks this is OK to suspend what we feebly call democracy.

It won't tbf

 

[brogdale]

The country is not in crisis, everyone is just getting on fine with the day to day. This is not a war and we're not about to be invaded. Its just a political dead lock. It would be extraordinary if the Queen thinks this is OK to suspend what we feebly call democracy.

If she agrees now then what next? It sets a beautiful precedent for every time a government can't get want it wants it just kicks and screams and shuts down Parliament

There's nothing here for the Queen to 'think' about; she's merely being ceremonially asked to do what she always does for a new Parliament. Johnson is just calling the oppo's hand.

 

[Pickman's model]

More to the point; this will give the fucking yellow tories a couple of days to swallow Swinson's over-blown pride and actually support a Corbyn VoNC. Otherwise they will go down as complicit with the tories...again.

Simple really, innit?

now we're not in kansas iron fists can be unveiled.

 

[Teaboy]

There's nothing here for the Queen to 'think' about; she's merely being ceremonially asked to do what she always does for a new Parliament. Johnson is just calling the oppo's hand.

I know they're calling their hand but to my mind it still sets a precedent and drags the monarchy into the middle of one place they don't want to be.

 

[butchersapron]

I know they're calling their hand but to my mind it still sets a precedent and drags the monarchy into the middle of one place they don't want to be.

Oh no.

 

[brogdale]

I know they're calling their hand but to my mind it still sets a precedent and drags the monarchy into the middle of one place they don't want to be.

I'm no expert, but I don't think calling for a Queen's speech is without precedent. That's precisely why it's a smart move.

 

[brogdale]

btw...how many Urban threads have exceeded 1000 pages?

I'm figuring this one will get there pretty soon!

 

[Teaboy]

Oh no.

Well, yes. I'm just amazed that who is doing it.

 

[philosophical]

Maybe Boris thinks dictatorship is so underrated, at least I have LeFT watching my back.

 

[brogdale]

You've got to admit that the Johnson regime's timing was clever. Let the LDs box Corbyn into the 'legislative' pathway and then within hours pull the rug from under them.

It's VoNC or Brexit now.
Swinson's choice.

 

[Pickman's model]

btw...how many Urban threads have exceeded 1000 pages?

I'm figuring this one will get there pretty soon!

we'll start a new thread on 999 pages

 

[brogdale]

we'll start a new thread on 999 pages

You're calling for the thread to be prorogued?

I call for the iron fist!

 

[Pickman's model]

You've got to admit that the Johnson regime's timing was clever. Let the LDs box Corbyn into the 'legislative' pathway and then within hours pull the rug from under them.

It's VoNC or Brexit now.
Swinson's choice.

i think we'll find there'll be other options available, not all of them to be found in erskine may

 

[agricola]

I'm no expert, but I don't think calling for a Queen's speech is without precedent. That's precisely why it's a smart move.

This isn't a smart move, on a variety of levels. In Parliamentary terms it guarantees government defeats when Parliament does come back for a week or so in early September, possibly including a no confidence vote. It also requires the Crown to get involved, something which she will absolutely hate given the circumstances and without having certainty that this will actually happen. It sets a dreadful precedent for the future (if it happens) and it is enough warning (and enough justification) for a massive campaign to be formed against this government amongst the wider public, on many times the scale of XR earlier in the year. It is phenomenally dangerous what he is doing and could easily result in people being killed.

 

[Pickman's model]

You're calling for the thread to be prorogued?

I call for the iron fist!

you can't have it, the best you can hope for is the stark fist of removal

 

[Pickman's model]

This isn't a smart move, on a variety of levels. In Parliamentary terms it guarantees government defeats when Parliament does come back for a week or so in early September, possibly including a no confidence vote. It also requires the Crown to get involved, something which she will absolutely hate given the circumstances and without having certainty that this will actually happen. It sets a dreadful precedent for the future (if it happens) and it is enough warning (and enough justification) for a massive campaign to be formed against this government amongst the wider public, on many times the scale of XR earlier in the year. It is phenomenally dangerous what he is doing and could easily result in people being killed.

tl;dr? it will end in tears

 

[brogdale]

This isn't a smart move, on a variety of levels. In Parliamentary terms it guarantees government defeats when Parliament does come back for a week or so in early September, possibly including a no confidence vote. It also requires the Crown to get involved, something which she will absolutely hate given the circumstances and without having certainty that this will actually happen. It sets a dreadful precedent for the future (if it happens) and it is enough warning (and enough justification) for a massive campaign to be formed against this government amongst the wider public, on many times the scale of XR earlier in the year. It is phenomenally dangerous what he is doing and could easily result in people being killed.

Those are all 'ifs'; that's not how psychopaths operate.
The Johnson regime allowed the oppo to show their (feeble) hand and had the immediate response to negate their plan.

 

[brogdale]

you can't have it, the best you can hope for is the stark fist of removal

Ouch

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Those are all 'ifs';

They aren't. There is no if about Parliament returning next week. Or the ability to call a Vonc and force a GE.

 

[Proper Tidy]

You've got to admit that the Johnson regime's timing was clever. Let the LDs box Corbyn into the 'legislative' pathway and then within hours pull the rug from under them.

It's VoNC or Brexit now.
Swinson's choice.

With opportunity comes risk and all that. Perhaps PM Corbyn just became a bit likelier

 

[brogdale]

They aren't. There is no if about Parliament returning next week. Or the ability to call a Vonc and force a GE.

Well yes, but that's (I assume) part of the regime's plan to make the choice a two-party, binary option that sets Corbyn centre stage. The gauntlet is thrown to his 'rebel's; back a Corbyn-led administration or get to fuck.