Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Smokeandsteam]

If they are playing a long game it’s not one with any apparent strategy.

I’ve just outlined one on this thread. Read the LeFT statement.

Leave – Fight – Transform: Founding Statement - Labour Heartlands

Any questions or queries feel free to leave here and I’ll answer them. It won’t be tonight however as I’m off out.

 

[Anju]

I’ve just outlined one on this thread. Read the LeFT statement.

Leave – Fight – Transform: Founding Statement - Labour Heartlands

Any questions or queries feel free to leave here and I’ll answer them. It won’t be tonight however as I’m off out.

I have a question. What are they going to do? It's some meaningless waffle and news articles.

At least it fits with the whole racist thing that leave has going on.

Labour drops candidate over claim Jews and Muslims seek to ‘dominate politics’

Lexit, waving racist cunts through since 2016.

 

[Proper Tidy]

I have a question. What are they going to do? It's some meaningless waffle and news articles.

At least it fits with the whole racist thing that leave has going on.

Labour drops candidate over claim Jews and Muslims seek to ‘dominate politics’

Lexit, waving racist cunts through since 2016.

Was racism an issue in society pre 2016?

 

[Anju]

Was racism an issue in society pre 2016?

Does your question have a point?

 

[Proper Tidy]

Does your question have a point?

Yes. One option was to retain the status quo. One wasn't. Maybe have a think about why people were motivated to vote for the latter that goes beyond not liking foreigners

 

[Anju]

Yes. One option was to retain the status quo. One wasn't. Maybe have a think about why people were motivated to vote for the latter that goes beyond not liking foreigners

Can't be bothered with all this again. The leave campaign was racist to its core and they're starting to ramp up the xenophobic rhetoric again for the election.

Someone posts a link to a website run by someone who thinks that white working class people are more deserving of political voice than Jewish and Muslim people and that's OK with you. Your first thought is to defend it. Nice.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I have a question. What are they going to do? It's some meaningless waffle and news articles.

At least it fits with the whole racist thing that leave has going on.


Lexit, waving racist cunts through since 2016.

I’ll answer your questions in turn:

1. Read the statement. It sets out clearly what LeFT is going to do and how. The first step is to fill the space left by those in support of neo-liberalism of the EU variety (like your good self) and those in favour of the American version.
2. Please provide some evidence of how the statement ‘fits with the whole racist thing’?
3. The only cunt here is you. You are an abysmal cunt. And a cunt who hides his middle class liberalism with a faux radical veneer.

Now provide some evidence or fuck off

 

[Proper Tidy]

Can't be bothered with all this again. The leave campaign was racist to its core and they're starting to ramp up the xenophobic rhetoric again for the election.

Someone posts a link to a website run by someone who thinks that white working class people are more deserving of political voice than Jewish and Muslim people and that's OK with you. Your first thought is to defend it. Nice.

Mate I didn't even click your link, nobody did

 

[Anju]

Here you go.

Prejudice and the Brexit vote: a tangled web

Or this one "Instead, couching their views in seemingly non-racial ways, they framed their concerns about immigration as a ‘legitimate’ response to a victimised whiteness"

SAGE Journals: Your gateway to world-class research journals

Next one.

Truly Project Hate: the third scandal of the official Vote Leave campaign headed by Boris Johnson

Not all about Brexit but shares my fear of more racist propaganda from team leave.

Show Racism the Red Card - Brexit and rising racism in Britain showed we must challenge misconceptions about Immigration and Multiculturalism

No comments on the anti Jewish and Muslim stuff?

 

[Anju]

Mate I didn't even click your link, nobody did

Well done.

 

[butchersapron]

Bring back philosophical

 

[Anju]

I’ll answer your questions in turn:

1. Read the statement. It sets out clearly what LeFT is going to do and how. The first step is to fill the space left by those in support of neo-liberalism of the EU variety (like your good self) and those in favour of the American version.
2. Please provide some evidence of how the statement ‘fits with the whole racist thing’?
3. The only cunt here is you. You are an abysmal cunt. And a cunt who hides his middle class liberalism with a faux radical veneer.

Now provide some evidence or fuck off

Very good. You do realise that you're occupying the US space by joining them. That's sort of the whole point of Brexit.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Very good. You do realise that you're occupying the US space by joining them. That's sort of the whole point of Brexit.

Can you read? Are you some sort of ironic joke? Or are you really this bad??

 

[Anju]

Bring back philosophical

Make a point or go away Butchers Wddeombe

 

[Anju]

Can you read? Are you some sort of ironic joke? Or are you really this bad??

No just wondering how you're going to occupy the space?

 

[Anju]

Also, are none of you bothered about what this guy said?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

No just wondering how you're going to occupy the space?

Read. The. Statement. Read. My. Post.

 

[redsquirrel]

Can you read? Are you some sort of ironic joke? Or are you really this bad??

He really is this bad.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

He really is this bad.

Christ

 

[Anju]

Read. The. Statement. Read. My. Post.

I read the statement and your post. Still not clear what's being done to achieve it.

Are you happy to be associated with the author?

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I read the statement and your post. Still not clear what's being done to achieve it.

Are you happy to be associated with the author?

You’ve had your go. Fuck off you clown

 

[Flavour]

The point is you refuse to understand why people voted leave, mixing up the racism in the official leave campaign for 17 million people being "send 'em back, ain't no black in the union jack" types. Which is absurd. Some are, sure, and indeed there are some racists both in the official remain campaign and among the 16 million who voted to remain. Neither group has a monopoly on racism. People who like to tar-brush all leave voters as racist are often the same people who believe there should be an IQ test before you're allowed to vote, or that the people can't be trusted to vote in their own interests whatsoever. This is a dangerous way of viewing the world and the british electorate and I'm glad people like you are forced to examine these things which you had conveniently ignored for the previous decades (and would have continued to ignore if Remain had won) and which in large part led to the gap in perceived interests between people like you (internationalist, progressive, intelligent) and people who voted leave (nationalist, racist, thick)

 

[butchersapron]

This idiot thinks because wragg signed this piece and later - after the original publication - then posted it on his own personal site that he therefore wrote it. Not any of the other far more qualified people who signed it and are far more likely to have done so. Therefore you personally are racist and so are all leave voters and are supportive of crap about jews and muslims.

It's astonishing - this is same stuff he wrote the day after the referendum. Down to the smears of being racist. Imagine not having developed politically one single step in that 3 years? Not having learnt anything about the vote, about wider society, about motivations and agendas etc - nothing. Then coming on here calling people, and i quote, 'Wddeombe'.

 

[Anju]

The point is you refuse to understand why people voted leave, mixing up the racism in the official leave campaign for 17 million people being "send 'em back, ain't no black in the union jack" types. Which is absurd. Some are, sure, and indeed there are some racists both in the official remain campaign and among the 16 million who voted to remain. Neither group has a monopoly on racism. People who like to tar-brush all leave voters as racist are often the same people who believe there should be an IQ test before you're allowed to vote, or that the people can't be trusted to vote in their own interests whatsoever. This is a dangerous way of viewing the world and the british electorate and I'm glad people like you are forced to examine these things which you had conveniently ignored for the previous decades (and would have continued to ignore if Remain had won) and which in large part led to the gap in perceived interests between people like you (internationalist, progressive, intelligent) and people who voted leave (nationalist, racist, thick)

I'm not saying every leave voter is racist, anymore, but looking at the potential of a Boris Johnson led Brexit with 5 years to work has upset me.

I had never voted before the referendum and I mostly did so then because of the leave campaign racism, plus fears for the NHS and preferring EU countries to the other options post Brexit.

Seeing someone post a link to something they seem to see as positive, significant, a strategy and then reading it to discover it's just not is hugely disappointing.

If people are prepared to vote the same way as a load of bigoted idiots, again not all leave voters, there are consequences if things go wrong and this was a real leap of faith vote when the Tories are in power.

I haven't accused any individual of being racist just of lexit voters waving racists through, which is essentially what happened.

 

[butchersapron]

This is a direct accusation of racism. Just over an hour ago.

 

[butchersapron]

As if saying that collectively leave voters are racist is any better than than making a series of individual accusations anyway.

 

[ska invita]

I’ve just outlined one on this thread. Read the LeFT statement.

Leave – Fight – Transform: Founding Statement - Labour Heartlands

Any questions or queries feel free to leave here and I’ll answer them. It won’t be tonight however as I’m off out.

I have a question.
The founding statement says "Anything that divides the working-class movement and weakens its unity also threatens our democracy — because in a class society like ours it is only this collective solidarity that provides a barrier against the wealth and power of the few.
The new Leave campaign provides a voice for that class solidarity. "


Does that class solidarity begin with the 2.5 million odd people, the vast majority working class, currently in Britain without citizenship, currently at threat to be made illegal, either on 1st Nov 2019 or March 2021?

The one article on it on the site I could find relating to it doesn't fill me with confidence that it does.

It describes the fact that a million have registered simply as "good news" and then finishes the article with this killer critique of the Tory immigration plans :

"During his leadership campaign, Johnson pledged to entrench EU nationals’ rights – saying he regretted that it had not happened immediately after the 2016 referendum.

“I will sort it out immediately and make sure that this issue is properly dealt with, and millions of people can stop worrying,” he said.

And during his first speech to the Commons, he promised: “under this government [EU citizens] will have the absolute certainty of the right to live and remain.”

The only thing I got from this piece is that its supporting the Tory governments plans, and repeating Johsnsons outright lies unchallenged. I could see no sign of criticism of it - this perhaps the most obvious and impactful attempt to divide the working class that Brexit has produced so far.

 

[butchersapron]

That site is not the home of the campaign - they just circulated the founding statement along with a load of others.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

ska invita I’ve got no involvement with the website that has shared the LeFT statement.

I didn’t think I could have been much clearer that my post was about the statement and not this website, the morning star or any of the sites that have linked to it. In hindsight I should have just posted the statement in full

 

[Anju]

This idiot thinks because wragg signed this piece and later - after the original publication - then posted it on his own personal site that he therefore wrote it. Not any of the other far more qualified people who signed it and are far more likely to have done so. Therefore you personally are racist and so are all leave voters and are supportive of crap about jews and muslims.

It's astonishing - this is same stuff he wrote the day after the referendum. Down to the smears of being racist. Imagine not having developed politically one single step in that 3 years? Not having learnt anything about the vote, about wider society, about motivations and agendas etc - nothing. Then coming on here calling people, and i quote, 'Wddeombe'.

Sorry, spelling mistake. It's just that when I saw AnnvWiddecombe make her EU speech debut it reminded me of you.

It doesn't matter who wrote the statement, it's just another nail in the lexit coffin. I kind of doubt you were very impressed.

The anti Jewish and Muslim get off my rights thing is pretty telling and I'm surprised people here think it's OK to promote.

I've actually learned quite a lot over the last couple of years but if I read something that annoys me the internet is best place to rant. Posts like the identity v class politics by Danny la Rouge are really helpful in understanding why the website and author are dodgy.

Also, plenty of studies showing that prejudice was a significant factor in the leave vote.