Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[killer b]

which would effectively mean giving up NI and letting it go independent by default, meaning independence for scotland an inevitability.

Perhaps - those issues are pretty secondary to the bulk of the brexit headbangers though. Check the polling, they don't give a fuck.

The Irish border was a non-issue until the DUP became involved, and would have remained a non-issue - or at least a much more minor obstacle - had May maintained or increased her majority in the 2017 election.

 

[Supine]

which would effectively mean giving up NI and letting it go independent by default, meaning independence for scotland an inevitability.

Then years of discussions about a border with Scotland. Oh joy.

 

[Pickman's model]

Then years of discussions about a border with Scotland. Oh joy.

the antonine wall ftw

 

[Pickman's model]

 

[cupid_stunt]

So there it is, the wonder strategy to make Brexit happen on 31st October. Just a bit of word play around the backstop to get the DUP on board and hopefully enough will follow.

Did you expect anything else? I certainly didn't.

Interesting to see how the erg types react. A lot of them were very scathing about a lot of May's plan, a total sell out seemed to be a common phrase. In the unlikely event that the EU does play ball do the brexiteers stick or twist? Do you accept it as the best route to Brexit or do you vote it down because a hard brexit is in sight and you have a leader that has promised just that? Do you risk a GE and a Corbyn led government and another referendum?

I suspect he's sounded out the ERG, or if they did vote any new agreement down, I suspect Johnson would call a GE, waving the agreement around, Neville Chamberlain style, in the hope it's enough to capture most of the Brexit Party votes. Yes, I know this would involve another short extension, but I think he would ask for that under such circumstances.

Mind you, I don't know why the fuck I typed that, after all no one bloody knows WTF is going to happen.

 

[Yossarian]

the antonine wall ftw

The way things are going, a Mancunian Wall might be a more popular boundary.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Doesn't matter where we build the wall, it's who we put against it

 

[Wilf]

the signature seems to be about two-thirds of the way to a spunking cock

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He may have to rely on Spunking Cock MPs in a future coalition government.

 

[Crispy]

No surprises here:

 

[binka]

calling a GE before oct 31 seems like johnson's best tactic - can fight promising a no deal exit on oct 31 - neutralising the brexit party -whilst hoping the anti-no deal vote gets split. If he wins (a big if - but not impossible) he then has to decide weather to drive the uk of a cliff or betray all the people who have just voted for him.

I don't think the anti-no deal vote will split. When it comes down to it in a tory / lab marginal then lib dems and their ilk will surely vote labour, it's maybe too much to expect anti-no deal tories to vote labour but can see them voting lib dem.

Might be wrong obviously but I think an early election could really work for labour. A lot depends on what the brexit party does though obviously

 

[teuchter]

Boris flexes his diplomatic muscles

TL;DR: Kill the backstop, replace it with "we'll try really hard to solve the border some other way, scouts honour"

A letter from one man, who did not write the text and likely does not fully understand, to another man who will likely neither read nor understand it.

 

[Pickman's model]

A letter from one man, who did not write the text and likely does not fully understand, to another man who will likely neither read nor understand it.

a letter which was never considered or they wouldn't patronised donald tusk by explaining what the abbreviations uk and eu meant.

 

[Poi E]

"affords the people of N Ireland no influence over the legislation that applies to them".

Tusk is well aware of the collapse of Stormont. This letter just makes Johnson look like a fucking moron.

 

[Kaka Tim]

I don't think the anti-no deal vote will split. When it comes down to it in a tory / lab marginal then lib dems and their ilk will surely vote labour, it's maybe too much to expect anti-no deal tories to vote labour but can see them voting lib dem.

Might be wrong obviously but I think an early election could really work for labour. A lot depends on what the brexit party does though obviously

oh yeah - its could easily end up with the tories being booted out - but its probably the least worst option for johnson. the damage of No deal or having to extend brexit past oct 31 will fuck the tories chances good and proper

 

[Pickman's model]

"affords the people of N Ireland no influence over the legislation that applies to them".

Tusk is well aware of the collapse of Stormont. This letter just makes Johnson look like a fucking moron.

Theresa may looks in contrast a veritable stateswoman

 

[DJWrongspeed]

I was thinking something slightly absurd but not impossible. If Boris suddenly revoked Article 50 , gave a serious TV address to the nation and moved on would he survive? and what exactly would become of Brexit? In an instance he could become Mr Maverick overnight!

He could actually cling onto power longer than he is currently going to.

 

[Ming]

I was thinking something slightly absurd but not impossible. If Boris suddenly revoked Article 50 , gave a serious TV address to the nation and moved on would he survive? and what exactly would become of Brexit? In an instance he could become Mr Maverick overnight!

He could actually cling onto power longer than he is currently going to.

That’s a nice idea. But it doesn’t suite all the financial backers of Brexit who’ve shorted sterling and are waiting to buy up the businesses which are going to fail like vultures waiting for a dying water buffalo to expire (damn...).

 

[Puddy_Tat]

I was thinking something slightly absurd but not impossible. If Boris suddenly revoked Article 50 , gave a serious TV address to the nation and moved on would he survive? and what exactly would become of Brexit? In an instance he could become Mr Maverick overnight!

He could actually cling onto power longer than he is currently going to.

That’s a nice idea. But it doesn’t suite all the financial backers of Brexit who’ve shorted sterling and are waiting to buy up the businesses which are going to fail like vultures waiting for a dying water buffalo to expire (damn...).

dunno really. a lot of big business seems to be anti brexit, but is it big business or hedge funds / vulture capital that's bankrolling the party these days?

would have thought that cancelling brexit would cause a fair proportion of tory party members to explode, and with the numbers in parliament as they are, even half a dozen tory MPs defecting to brexit / ukip / some new and as yet unknown thing, could bugger it all up. although whether they would want to do a VONC with the risk of a corbyn government is unclear.

 

[Ming]

dunno really. a lot of big business seems to be anti brexit, but is it big business or hedge funds / vulture capital that's bankrolling the party these days?

would have thought that cancelling brexit would cause a fair proportion of tory party members to explode, and with the numbers in parliament as they are, even half a dozen tory MPs defecting to brexit / ukip / some new and as yet unknown thing, could bugger it all up. although whether they would want to do a VONC with the risk of a corbyn government is unclear.

It’s the speculators i’m referring to mainly. Hedge funds, private equity, sovereign wealth funds, etc. Disaster capitalists basically. They’re transnational and they don’t get sentimental about any countries in particular. It’s all about the money and avoiding tax and regulation.

 

[DJWrongspeed]

would have thought that cancelling brexit would cause a fair proportion of tory party members to explode, and with the numbers in parliament as they are, even half a dozen tory MPs defecting to brexit / ukip / some new and as yet unknown thing, could bugger it all up. although whether they would want to do a VONC with the risk of a corbyn government is unclear.

good point, i hadn't thought of the Tory Brexiteers and the precarious nature of the current govt with the DUP. Still, by defecting they'd simply Corbyn the keys as you say so it's all a bit unknown.

 

[Dom Traynor]

New Tory remoaner anti Johnson breakaway founded movement46

 

[Puddy_Tat]

New Tory remoaner anti Johnson breakaway founded movement46

We have founded movement46 in honour of Robert Peel’s principled stand for progressive Conservatism. We want it to be a rallying point for all those who feel politically homeless and who are looking for a movement that unites, not divides… looks outwards, not inwards…. And is focussed on the future, not the past.

i suppose the spirit of 1846 is a bit more up to date than what johnson and rees mogg have to offer...

 

[Raheem]

i suppose the spirit of 1846 is a bit more up to date than what johnson and rees mogg have to offer...

Time of the Great Famine, so possibly bang on.

 

[krtek a houby]

Perhaps - those issues are pretty secondary to the bulk of the brexit headbangers though. Check the polling, they don't give a fuck.

The Irish border was a non-issue until the DUP became involved, and would have remained a non-issue - or at least a much more minor obstacle - had May maintained or increased her majority in the 2017 election.

Sorry to be pedantic. It's not the Irish border, though, is it? It's a British border in Ireland...

 

[Flavour]

progressive conservatism, lol

 

[redsquirrel]

progressive conservatism, lol

The groupescule above is certainly worth laughing at. But progressive conservatism is certainly a position with some support, hence the libdems growth into Tory areas.

 

[brogdale]

The groupescule above is certainly worth laughing at. But progressive conservatism is certainly a position with some support, hence the libdems growth into Tory areas.

Yep, but I'm not sure that many of those espousing such ideological positions actually support them as much as they use them as cover for their fundamentally regressive beliefs.

 

[Bahnhof Strasse]

Oh goody, Johnson's off to Germany today so Merkel can tell him to get fucked.

 

[MickiQ]

Oh goody, Johnson's off to Germany today so Merkel can tell him to get fucked.

I envy her it must be nice to be able to do that

 

[Pickman's model]

Oh goody, Johnson's off to Germany today so Merkel can tell him to get fucked.

it's a long way to go to be told that, when he could simply phone her up and have a mouthful of german abuse far more cheaply