Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[Saunders]

like a filthy whore

!!

 

[andysays]

Telegraph names four Tory MPs who it says have welcomed Corbyn's suggestion.

Guardian suggests pressure is growing on LDs to support it too.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

The spectacle of the British political class seeking various grubby lash ups, against a backdrop of a growing sense of quivering panic among their ranks is one of the most enjoyable spectacles of recent years. It can’t be long before one of them seriously proposes just abolishing elections for good.

In my lifetime I can’t remember the real motivations and venality of the professional middle class being so stark and above the surface. The long term damage to their ability to achieve consent to govern and make laws is incalculable but undeniable.

I would suggest that those cheering Corbyn’s efforts to be the figurehead of this bankruptcy and squalid panic might want to reflect on where this leads in the longer term. If I as him I’d want to be as far away from it as possible

 

[Rivendelboy]

The spectacle of the British political class seeking various grubby lash ups, against a backdrop of a growing sense of quivering panic among their ranks is one of the most enjoyable spectacles of recent years. It can’t be long before one of them seriously proposes just abolishing elections for good.

In my lifetime I can’t remember the real motivations and venality of the professional middle class being so stark and above the surface. The long term damage to their ability to achieve consent to govern and make laws is incalculable but undeniable.

I would suggest that those cheering Corbyn’s efforts to be the figurehead of this bankruptcy and squalid panic might want to reflect on where this leads in the longer term. If I as him I’d want to be as far away from it as possible

Isn't that the principle behind proroguing parliament?

There also the fixed term parliament act

 

[SpookyFrank]

The spectacle of the British political class seeking various grubby lash ups, against a backdrop of a growing sense of quivering panic among their ranks is one of the most enjoyable spectacles of recent years. It can’t be long before one of them seriously proposes just abolishing elections for good.

In my lifetime I can’t remember the real motivations and venality of the professional middle class being so stark and above the surface. The long term damage to their ability to achieve consent to govern and make laws is incalculable but undeniable.

I would suggest that those cheering Corbyn’s efforts to be the figurehead of this bankruptcy and squalid panic might want to reflect on where this leads in the longer term. If I as him I’d want to be as far away from it as possible

I doubt Corbyn really wants to be interim PM as it would surely sink him for good. He wants to be able to say he tried everything to stop no deal.

 

[kabbes]

I doubt Corbyn really wants to be interim PM as it would surely sink him for good. He wants to be able to say he tried everything to stop no deal.

I think it gives him credibility as a leader, actually. People will stop seeing him as a danger and get used to the idea of him being PM

 

[Ranbay]

 

[redsquirrel]

I doubt Corbyn really wants to be interim PM as it would surely sink him for good. He wants to be able to say he tried everything to stop no deal.

And wants to trap the LDs between Brexit and Johnson, which he has succeeded in doing.

 

[SpookyFrank]

I think it gives him credibility as a leader, actually. People will stop seeing him as a danger and get used to the idea of him being PM

Just imagine the tabloid froth if they could run with a 'Corbyn Coup' angle. Which they would do regardless of what was actually happening, ie a temporary caretaker administration supported by the majority of the house and with very limited power.

 

[ska invita]

Just imagine the tabloid froth if they could run with a 'Corbyn Coup' angle. Which they would do regardless of what was actually happening, ie a temporary caretaker administration supported by the majority of the house and with very limited power.

Just imagine yesterday

 

[SpookyFrank]

Just imagine yesterday

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I'm on holiday and avoiding papers but yeah, not surprised.

 

[Rivendelboy]

Actual Soubry...

 

[Smokeandsteam]

People will stop seeing him as a danger and get used to the idea of him being PM

Precisely. He will lose his outsider status and be the figurehead of the rotten establishment. He then goes into a GE trying to put his 'radical' hat back on. Fatal.

 

[ska invita]

I'm on holiday and avoiding papers but yeah, not surprised.

I recommend having a holiday from this thread too

 

[Smokeandsteam]

I doubt Corbyn really wants to be interim PM as it would surely sink him for good. He wants to be able to say he tried everything to stop no deal.

Yeah, that's clearly what those who dreamt the strategy up thought as well. Personally, if I wanted to win an election in November I'd want to be as far away from a lash up of Tories/Remaniac Chuggers and Cooper/Starmer/Swinson and the Nats as possible.

 

[Proper Tidy]

Even if it's just noise it opens up to dual attack of 'he's dangerous/he's not so different to us'

 

[teuchter]

Precisely. He will lose his outsider status and be the figurehead of the rotten establishment. He then goes into a GE trying to put his 'radical' hat back on. Fatal.

Do you think, in terms of electability, the portion of people who might consider him too establishment are more important than the portion of people who consider him too 'radical'?

 

[Proper Tidy]

Do you think, in terms of electability, the portion of people who might consider him too establishment are more important than the portion of people who consider him too 'radical'?

Any positive electoral popularity he has (as opposed to best alternative to get the tories out) is going to rest on him representing a clean break

 

[Smokeandsteam]

Do you think, in terms of electability, the portion of people who might consider him too establishment are more important than the portion of people who consider him too 'radical'?

In terms of the last GE the Labour surge was wholly linked to desire for 'change'. Adopting the role of the elderly titular head of a rabble of neo-liberals and failed pols engaged in an naked power grab, with profound democratic consequences, would be a very bad look especially in the seats labour needs to win. In fact it would be the end of the project.

 

[ska invita]

This is why I thought the all female cabinet, or Ken Clarke taking over aren't such bad ideas...Let Angela Eagle have a go! Corbyn seems to be putting himself forward for the role, which I think is a mistake... You never know though, he might be able to ride the tiger

 

[Smokeandsteam]

You never know though, he might be able to ride the tiger

You definitely need a holiday if that's the conclusion you've reached....

 

[ska invita]

You definitely need a holiday if that's the conclusion you've reached....

It's clearly not a conclusion

 

[Smokeandsteam]

YTom Watson is stroking his chin and wondering if letting corbyn destroy himself and Labour in the next GE is ‘a price worth paying’.....

 

[ska invita]

You definitely need a holiday if that's the conclusion you've reached....

I agree with you, that's why I'm saying let a patsy take over.
But it's not totally impossible for Corbyn to get in the driving seat and take control of the narrative. Power (however limited) creates opportunities. On paper it looks poisoned though, for sure

 

[teuchter]

In terms of the last GE the Labour surge was wholly linked to desire for 'change'. Adopting the role of the elderly titular head of a rabble of neo-liberals and failed pols engaged in an naked power grab, with profound democratic consequences, would be a very bad look especially in the seats labour needs to win. In fact it would be the end of the project.

I dunno if the electorate as a whole are that dogmatic.

For some people, maybe he'd be tarred by association, regardless of what the alternatives were, come a GE. For others, otherwise sceptical about him, he might have proved that he's capable of holding office. The latter group might be larger. And if he can't convince them, then the 'project' is dead anyway.

 

[Smokeandsteam]

For others, otherwise sceptical about him, he might have proved that he's capable of holding office. The latter group might be larger. And if he can't convince them, then the 'project' is dead anyway.

In the event this plan comes to fruition you’d have Corbyn installed at the leader propped up by Swinson, Sturgeon, Grieve, Soubry and a load of hostile blairites.

The tories, Farage and the media would talking coups. The markets would be going crazy and Corbyn will be lightening rod for it all. Then he goes into a GE saying we are going to make things better.

Not a winning strategy in my view and surely only of attraction to those who want him gone?

 

[butchersapron]

The only person Galloway will back is the person he sees in the mirror, or possibly Steve Bannon, whom he was gladhanding earlier this year.

Given the Libdems are only good for splitting the vote, I don't fancy betting against a tory government. Their refusal to stand aside kept Rudd in position.

Fuck it all

Galloway is currently doing research on which seat has the most Mirpuri voters. He's sniffed a new opp.

 

[kenny g]

I very much doubt Corbyn would be capable of the role. He should suggest having Clark or Harman as his deputy with responsibility for negotiating an extension along with implementing a referendum. Corbyn can guarantee an election whatever the result and in the meantime do what he does best i.e. not a lot.

 

[chilango]

1/Enough of capital is now ready and prepared for a no deal Brexit that Boris can just ride it out past the deadline and crash out.

or

2/They're not, and a pro-EU centrist technocratic lash up is installed post VoNC.

I reckon Option 2.

 

[andysays]

I very much doubt Corbyn would be capable of the role. He should suggest having Clark or Harman as his deputy with responsibility for negotiating an extension along with implementing a referendum. Corbyn can guarantee an election whatever the result and in the meantime do what he does best i.e. not a lot.

Swinson has now suggested either Clarke or Harman for the caretaker PM role, according to BBC website.