SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Stop what?
Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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Stop what?
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
VONC to bring down government and force a GE (if they lose a VONC they have- i think- 2 weeks to win the back the support or parliament of they have to have a GE) . Some tories have indicated they would vote against the government do that to prevent no deal - and the pressure for them to do that would be intense.
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
in that situation the EU would probably grant an extension. although its not definite.
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Which would require a government to accept an extension, with no real government & a PM saying 'fuck you', it's back to the default position.
andysays
Love and solidarity
So you're saying that Parliament would definitely bring down the government with a VoNC to prevent a No Deal crash out, on the basis that the EU would probably then give us an extension.
Sounds like a great plan to me...
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
To be fair, the EU probably would grant an extension if there was a GE.
Pickman's model
Starry Wisdom
no, we'll be looking for a different wall this time
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
I guess it would be something like the government would being instructed by parliament to request an extension.
TBH - i dont think it will get to the stage of a VONC - the government could go for a GE if it knew that no deal was not going to get through - (and it would also give them an excuse or avoiding a no deal that most of them know full well would be a disaster)
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
He started it (lol!).
andysays
Love and solidarity
There's that word again...
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Bahnhof Strasse
Met up with Hannah Courtoy a week next Tuesday
Sorry if this is old ground, but was having a shit earlier mulling over what Johnson was waffling on about, how withholding a % of the £39bn with a no deal situation is his bargaining tool. That's his ace card. So on 1st November after we've crashed out, Boris will hop on the Eurostar to Brussels and say, "Bonjour, we need a free trade deal please." "Mais oui, zat will be £39bn plus un backstop en Northern Ireland."
Isn't it?
Isn't it?
Supine
Newt Member
It'll probably cost more after October. They will hold all the good cards.
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
The EU have said 'no more negotiation'. Pretty plainly. Boris is going to be the next PM and he's said plainly 'out on halloween'. Boris doesn't give a shit about the country, his party or anything but himself and a lot of rich cunts will have positioned themselves already to profit from the disaster it will be (see JRM's finance firm and Farage's use of private polling data on the night of the referendum (Bloomberg)). It's not about sovereignty to these fuckers. It's about money.
redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
My position is directly at odds with the vanguardism of the CP. If you want to start a separate thread then I'm happy to contribute but I don't think this is in any way a derail, it's the crucial point that splits class politics from progressive politics.
Is that like when you said May was insisting we would definitely be gone by the end of March? Turns out politicians often say things they don’t mean.
The EU don’t want the UK to leave. They’ll do whatever they can to facilitate that. If that means granting extension after extension, that’s what they’ll do. Death of Brexit by a thousand cuts, and they are the masters of the thousand cuts
And, speaking as somebody deeply embedded within the cloisters of finance, you are literally 100% wrong about the desire for Brexit being about money. Brexit has cost capital billions already and will continue to do so. The money men never wanted it and want it to end.
Proper Tidy
Arsed
The portrayal of the leave constituency, in all its messiness and contradictions and conflict, as being about the rich seeking to entrench and further its position is about the most fuckheaded of the common remainiac arguments. Even more than Russia did it through Facebook.
Ming
I shot a man in Reno...
Great stuff! Sounds like the world is in safe hands.
What in the last 40 years would lead you to think that?
Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
I dont think the EU will offer any more extensions unless its for a GE or 2nd re - and have pretty much said as much.
They would rather the UK stay - but are pissed off with the chaos and uncertainty. They also judge that the UK will balk at no deal - and if they dont, they can take some disruption for a while until a much weakened uk comes crawling back.
Because a "no deal" exit is not the end of brexit - it means more years of negotiations and bollocks and turmoil for the UK - because the fundamentals of any deal with the EU will be the same. Thing is, all but the most rabid brexiteers know this - johnson knows this, but he loves playing to his audience.
They would rather the UK stay - but are pissed off with the chaos and uncertainty. They also judge that the UK will balk at no deal - and if they dont, they can take some disruption for a while until a much weakened uk comes crawling back.
Because a "no deal" exit is not the end of brexit - it means more years of negotiations and bollocks and turmoil for the UK - because the fundamentals of any deal with the EU will be the same. Thing is, all but the most rabid brexiteers know this - johnson knows this, but he loves playing to his audience.
Dogsauce
I’ve got Skol but I’m not a Scholar
Don’t think the EU will demand political changes such as a GE as a condition for an extension, more that they would allow an extension if a GE/referendum was proposed by the UK. I can’t see that it would help the EU to be seen interfering in the political process and pulling the strings. Imagine how that would play, and what the result would be. “Juncker demands Corbyn” etc. The solution has to be determined and offered by the UK, take responsibility for working it out.
gosub
~#
nah he'd be too busy with the treasury and the credit ratings agencies trying to persuade the market not to down grade British bonds
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Kaka Tim
Half Arsed and Slapdash till I Die
i really cant see the difference between these two positions.
It would politically very difficult for the EU to offer further extensions unless there was a good reason - "do not waste this time" was what they said. So the tory party have done exactly that.
There was a fair bit of grumbling last time- especially from france - about allowing an extension last time.
Unless it was for something that might break the brexit log jam (GE or 2nd ref) What would another extension achieve? just more fucking about and going around in circles a la Theresa May.
Smokeandsteam
Working Class First
For the Liberals ending democracy is a price worth paying for continued membership of the single market. The absolute fucking state of them:
Yvette Cooper or Hilary Benn should lead unity government to halt Brexit – Ed Davey
Yvette Cooper or Hilary Benn should lead unity government to halt Brexit – Ed Davey
cupid_stunt
Chief seagull hater & farmerbarleymow's nemesis.
Just when you think no party could elect a leader worst than Johnson, the LibDems enters the fuckwit race.
teqniq
DisMembered
Speaking of ending democracy, this guy has always been pro-remain but in light of the announcement below....
Original tweet by the German foreign office below.
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