Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[philosophical]

When Stewart gets knocked out it will be less entertaining, and even more horrifying if that were possible.

 

[Pickman's model]

When Stewart gets knocked out it will be less entertaining, and even more horrifying if that were possible.

i don't think it can get any less entertaining than it is atm

 

[Poi E]

It's not even ambition anymore is it? It's a sort of bored acceptance that when such a post becomes available, one ought to put oneself forward, because it's probably one's duty. Or something.

Quite. Not the done thing for a chap to get too excited.

 

[treelover]

Wake up, England: Boris Johnson’s ‘charm’ is just the arrogance of those born to rule

Wake up, England: Boris Johnson’s ‘charm’ is just the arrogance of those born to rule | Suzanne Moore

Good Suzanne Moore piece

 

[Pickman's model]

Good Suzanne Moore piece

What do you especially like about it?

 

[treelover]

The title says it all, you went to public school, maybe not a top one, you have seen how confident they are, etc.

 

[a_chap]

Quite. Not the done thing for a chap to get too excited.

-cough-

I wasn't planning on getting too excited.

 

[gosub]

Quite. Not the done thing for a chap to get too excited.

So do I stop saving that party popper, I've secreted for a special occasion?

 

[Steel Icarus]

Good Suzanne Moore piece

That's the same Suzanne Moore who backed "Cleggbama", right?

 

[Mr Moose]

When Stewart gets knocked out it will be less entertaining, and even more horrifying if that were possible.

They weren’t going to suddenly find someone who isn’t an utter bastard. It’s horrifying they are in power, full stop.

How weird would life have to be for the party whose internal disputes have split the nation to suddenly come up with a sensible and pleasant leader?

 

[SpackleFrog]

The title says it all, you went to public school, maybe not a top one, you have seen how confident they are, etc.

... Not exactly original though is it?

 

[Poi E]

How weird would life have to be for the party whose internal disputes have split the nation to suddenly come up with a sensible and pleasant leader?

We would then know the Tories had lost all their principles.

 

[Pickman's model]

We would then know the Tories had lost all their principles.

Their only principle is not to have principles

 

[philosophical]

As far as I can tell there has never ever been any Tory principles or guiding ideology.
All this 'one nation Conservative' guff is meaningless, always has been.
Without strife, division and poverty how do you keep wages down and deference up?

 

[Pickman's model]

The title says it all, you went to public school, maybe not a top one, you have seen how confident they are, etc.

So for you the best thing wasn't even by Moore but some unknown sub-editor

 

[Smokeandsteam]

As far as I can tell there has never ever been any Tory principles or guiding ideology.
All this 'one nation Conservative' guff is meaningless, always has been.
Without strife, division and poverty how do you keep wages down and deference up?

Partly. There was, for about 25 years a majority, of Conservative party politicians who bought into Keynesian economics and the ‘rules’ of the post war settlement. The extent to which this was expedient or genuinely held can be debated. They held sway over a section dedicated to reversing union power, reducing public spending and tax cuts for their mates. Put bluntly, at that point (1945-75) there was a genuine tension about the best way to administer capital that recognised the organised industrial working class had agency.

Keith Joseph - who I’d argue was the key ideologue among MPs of the Thatcher years - was key is assembling the neocon coalition of thinkers, journalists and politicians

 

[treelover]

When will the resistance in Britain to populism properly begin? | Nick Cohen

Cohen calls for the remain masses to get on the streets, but this time, mean it!

 

[Supine]

When will the resistance in Britain to populism properly begin? | Nick Cohen

Cohen calls for the remain masses to get on the streets, but this time, mean it!

I kind of agree with his sentiment

 

[treelover]

Yes, and how do you think brexit supporters, especially in left behind areas will react? England is a powder keg at present, with new political cleavages, etc.

 

[Supine]

Yes, and how do you think brexit supporters, especially in left behind areas will react? England is a powder keg at present, with new political cleavages, etc.

I really don't think England is a powder keg. It does need to understand why austerity is the biggest shit stain in recent history and not the EU though.

 

[treelover]

Ok, expand, why you don't think it isn't?

 

[Supine]

Ok, expand, why you don't think it isn't?

Double negative? There is not much evidence that people care enough to take to the streets. This shit show is for the politicians to deal with (IMHO).

 

[Ranbay]

I don't work weekends

 

[redsquirrel]

I really don't think England is a powder keg. It does need to understand why austerity is the biggest shit stain in recent history and not the EU though.

But Cohen isn't arguing for opposition to austerity. Quite the opposite, he has been vocal in attacking a Labour Party that has moved away from neo-libealism, describing it as "disaster socialism". Not surprising to see that you agree with such sentiments though.

 

[Ranbay]

 

[Mr Moose]

Ok, expand, why you don't think it isn't?

People could fight back at any time because of the circumstances they find themselves in, but it’s unlikely that will be about Brexit.

There have been plenty of opportunities for violence to kick off, but the general public’s attitude to right wing agitators has so far been to milkshake them rather than join in.

 

[Proper Tidy]

People could fight back at any time because of the circumstances they find themselves in, but it’s unlikely that will be about Brexit.

There have been plenty of opportunities for violence to kick off, but the general public’s attitude to right wing agitators has so far been to milkshake them rather than join in.

Come on. There has been about 5 incidents of milkshake being lobbed at politicians while the Brexit Party has led every poll for two months and the largest demos we've seen in last couple of years, extinction rebellion aside, have all been right wing pro brexit

 

[Proper Tidy]

Actually there was one large remain demo but point stands

 

[Kaka Tim]

Come on. There has been about 5 incidents of milkshake being lobbed at politicians while the Brexit Party has led every poll for two months and the largest demos we've seen in last couple of years, extinction rebellion aside, have all been right wing pro brexit

the pro-brexit demos have not attracted big numbers. The anti-brexit march a few months was far bigger - hundreds of thousands - (although probably not the "Million" that was claimed). Look at the rival "revoke A50" vs "No deal" petitions - the revoke one was 10 times bigger. Outside a small but vocal and angry hardcore - that support for brexit goes much beyond about 25 % voting Brexit Party. See also - the peterborough by election.
There is no mobilised mass agitating for brexit - which figures if you consider that much of their support is older and more isolated.
Farage being able to attract a crowd of gammons in fucking clacton does not an insurrection make.

 

[Proper Tidy]

the pro-brexit demos have not attracted big numbers. The anti-brexit march a few months was far bigger - hundreds of thousands - (although probably not the "Million" that was claimed). Look at the rival "revoke A50" vs "No deal" petitions - the revoke one was 10 times bigger. Outside a small but vocal and angry hardcore - that support for brexit goes much beyond about 25 % voting Brexit Party. See also - the peterborough by election.
There is no mobilised mass agitating for brexit - which figures if you consider that much of their support is older and more isolated.
Farage being able to attract a crowd of gammons in fucking clacton does not an insurrection make.

25% of electorate backing a party that wants brexit at any cost and has no other policies ffs. Come on now.