Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[littlebabyjesus]

I didn't insist that it be orderly or smooth.

Predictable? I don't see the point in engaging in a process the outcome of which is not predictable. Doesn't mean it has to have 100% certainty of outcome, but there should at least be a plausible route to the desired result.

This basically. And if the desired result is, in the most general terms, 'more socialism', the most plausible post-brexit routes all head in the opposite direction.

 

[sleaterkinney]

Predictable? I don't see the point in engaging in a process the outcome of which is not predictable. Doesn't mean it has to have 100% certainty of outcome, but there should at least be a plausible route to the desired result.

If you were worried about plausible routes to results then you wouldn't be into far-left politics to begin with.

 

[Pickman's model]

If you were worried about plausible routes to results then you wouldn't be into far-left politics to begin with.

i don't think i've ever seen any evidence that teuchter is into far-left politics.

 

[SpackleFrog]

My response when Greece is brought up is a relatively simple one: How does Brexit help Greece? I've yet to hear any kind of answer. While I totally agree with you that trade deals were irrelevant in the referendum, one of the big things that I think did carry resonance was the figure for the UK's net contribution. One of the countries that is a net recipient is Greece. (And yes, of course there are problems with the way EU money is spent and the way companies from rich countries benefit from it, but like trade deals, this kind of nicety wasn't part of the anti-EU discourse. It actually runs counter to the simple and simplistic anti-EU narrative as British companies also benefit from EU investment.)

Told you before - weakening the EU helps Greece.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I didn't insist that it be orderly or smooth.

Predictable? I don't see the point in engaging in a process the outcome of which is not predictable. Doesn't mean it has to have 100% certainty of outcome, but there should at least be a plausible route to the desired result.

Well, guess what, the global economy is in crisis and nothing is 'predictable' any more.

 

[SpackleFrog]

If you were worried about plausible routes to results then you wouldn't be into far-left politics to begin with.

Sleater slightly more honest than Teuchter.

 

[littlebabyjesus]

Told you before - weakening the EU helps Greece.

Does Brexit weaken the EU? Thus far, in the form of Ireland and the backstop, it's been handed a massive opportunity to demonstrate how it will stand by all of its members, big or small. Take Sweden as the example - its UKIP equivalent has recently dropped its calls for leaving the EU, short-term at least, while polls in Sweden show that support for membership has strengthened since the start of Brexit. Plus, for eu-enthusiasts, seeing the back of the troublesome semi-detached UK isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Sweden Democrats drop their call for 'Swexit' referendum on leaving EU

I think a lot of people assumed brexit would mean a crisis for the EU. It's not working out that way. The only place with a political crisis is the UK.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Does Brexit weaken the EU? Thus far, in the form of Ireland and the backstop, it's been handed a massive opportunity to demonstrate how it will stand by all of its members, big or small. Take Sweden as the example - its UKIP equivalent has recently dropped its calls for leaving the EU, short-term at least, while polls in Sweden show that support for membership has strengthened since the start of Brexit. Plus, for eu-enthusiasts, seeing the back of the troublesome semi-detached UK isn't necessarily a bad thing.

Sweden Democrats drop their call for 'Swexit' referendum on leaving EU

I think a lot of people assumed brexit would mean a crisis for the EU. It's not working out that way. The only place with a political crisis is the UK.

Again, I can't say it enough - this is Little Englander stuff. The crisis within the EU is sustained and manifold. Brexit isn't close to the most damaging thing going on for the EU but *if* Britain leaves it will further weaken the union.

 

[Pickman's model]

The only place with a political crisis is the UK.

there are none so blind as those who will not see

 

[SpackleFrog]

The only place with a political crisis is the UK.

Yeah this is just the most erroneous statement, sorry mon but it's literally everywhere.

 

[Pickman's model]

Yeah this is just the most erroneous statement, sorry mon but it's literally everywhere.

it's wicked to mock the afflicted

 

[Ranbay]

so, what's going on eh?

slow moving these days init? used to be alive this thread?

 

[SpackleFrog]

so, what's going on eh?

slow moving these days init? used to be alive this thread?

We're waiting for your recalculated countdown!

 

[teuchter]

philosophical

 

[Ranbay]

We're waiting for your recalculated countdown!

 

[Teaboy]

They're just waiting for the last week again.

 

[philosophical]

philosophical

Ignorant, lazy, know nothing 'leader of the free world' with his fingers twitching to hit the 'nuke' button when he has nothing to lose in his second term.
Fake nukes he will call it.

 

[Ranbay]

 

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[Ranbay]

 

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[brogdale]

Looks like a smart move that's consistent with their conference position and has the potential to fuck up some of the tory leadership offers.

 

[Mr Moose]

Looks like a smart move that's consistent with their conference position and has the potential to fuck up some of the tory leadership offers.

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Although in saying that, as much as some of the candidates for Tory leader feel they have to offer a no deal with a red line on the next date, a few of them will be quite happy if Parliament gives them an opt out.

The likes of Raab and McVey are clearly mad enough to really want it, but others may be counting on Parliament rescuing them even though they will protest otherwise.

 

[MrCurry]

Donald Tusk’s words back in April seem now somewhat prescient. In connection with the 6 month extension to 31 Oct, he urged the UK “please do not waste this time”.

I wonder if anyone thinks the UK is not in fact engaged in “wasting” the time afforded by the extension? Various tories jumping up and promising we are definitely going to leave 31st Oct doesn’t actually do anything to solve the issues and with labour trying their best to take no deal off the table, I’m struggling to see a path towards Brexit actually taking place on that date.

Is UK wasting the opportunity of the 6 month extension?

 

[Supine]

No, getting rid of May was needed. Unfortunately it looks like any replacement is getting ready to waste more time.

 

[Ranbay]

 

[Kaka Tim]

Donald Tusk’s words back in April seem now somewhat prescient. In connection with the 6 month extension to 31 Oct, he urged the UK “please do not waste this time”.

I wonder if anyone thinks the UK is not in fact engaged in “wasting” the time afforded by the extension? Various tories jumping up and promising we are definitely going to leave 31st Oct doesn’t actually do anything to solve the issues and with labour trying their best to take no deal off the table, I’m struggling to see a path towards Brexit actually taking place on that date.

Is UK wasting the opportunity of the 6 month extension?

as it was with Theresa May - its all about the Tories twisting and turning to try and avoid the inevitable - a general election or 2nd referendum.
Another extension highly likely id have thought - but it may come with the EU insisting it is conditional on a GE or 2nd ref.
Or they make it clear that if they grant one - there will be no further extensions and it is time to piss or get off the pot wrt brexit.

 

[brogdale]

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This could work all the way down to Canada Water - New Oxford street.

 

[Ranbay]

Donald Tusk’s words back in April seem now somewhat prescient. In connection with the 6 month extension to 31 Oct, he urged the UK “please do not waste this time”.

I wonder if anyone thinks the UK is not in fact engaged in “wasting” the time afforded by the extension? Various tories jumping up and promising we are definitely going to leave 31st Oct doesn’t actually do anything to solve the issues and with labour trying their best to take no deal off the table, I’m struggling to see a path towards Brexit actually taking place on that date.

Is UK wasting the opportunity of the 6 month extension?

Was about to post this also, been thinking about it.

 

[not-bono-ever]

None of these people are our friends