Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[redsquirrel]

Whoever gets it surely the LP must think about bringing another VoNC quickly if they don't commit to a GE. I mean it won't get through but it traps the LDs and ChUK wankers.

something else e.g. Johnson is full of shit and just repackages May's deal,

Whether it's Johnson or someone else I think there's a pretty good chance that this happens first.

 

[Wilf]

Whoever gets it surely the LP must think about bringing another VoNC quickly if they don't commit to a GE. I mean it won't get through but it traps the LDs and ChUK wankers.
Whether it's Johnson or someone else I think there's a pretty good chance that this happens first.

Certainly the EU will already firming up their 'we cannot reopen the Withdrawal Agreement' line.

 

[Pickman's model]

Certainly the EU will already firming up their 'we cannot reopen the Withdrawal Agreement' line.

no deal v no brexit then

 

[Flavour]

finally some excitement on the brexit front, it's all been a bit dull since they gave us october 31 extension. now we can put it back on the burner!

 

[sleaterkinney]

Surely a new leader would go for a GE. No workable majority in the house.
They could paint themselves as the saviour of real Brexit.

 

[andysays]

Surely a new leader would go for a GE. No workable majority in the house.
They could paint themselves as the saviour of real Brexit.

I'm not convinced another GE would result in a workable majority in the house though...

 

[brogdale]

no deal v no brexit then

September 2019 GE in a nutshell.

 

[brogdale]

Too early for its own thread?

 

[Pickman's model]

Too early for its own thread?

go for it

 

[MrCurry]

Too early for its own thread?

I thought you were referring to Brexit...

 

[andysays]

Report on the BBC website that EU leaders think the new Tory leader may request a further extension.

 

[Drarok]

Can't we please just revoke and cancel this utter farce?

 

[Pickman's model]

Can't we please just revoke and cancel this utter farce?

you've seen the plot summary for season four then

 

[Cloo]

I fear it has to be No Deal now. afaict, all front runners are leavers and the only thing they can do differently from May is to go for No Deal. Then our only hope is Parliament manages to prevent that

 

[tommers]

Yeah it'll be no deal.

The good bit of that will be watching all the gammon blaming each other when they realise that they've fucked everything up. The self delusion will be amazing to behold.

 

[gosub]

Report on the BBC website that EU leaders think the new Tory leader may request a further extension.

What a fuck up the behind the scenes paperwork blind eyes and emergency patches are only valid til 31st Dec...

 

[littlebabyjesus]

I fear it has to be No Deal now. afaict, all front runners are leavers and the only thing they can do differently from May is to go for No Deal. Then our only hope is Parliament manages to prevent that

May resigning doesn't solve anything. If parliament blocks 'no deal', which surely it would with various former govt payroll tories like Rudd free to vote against it, what do they then do? All very nice for the likes of Johnson to bluster around, but he'll have to come up with a solution here that isn't 'no deal', just like May had to. Tory membership may want it and vote for someone who wants it, but they're a small number of very warped individuals, even more warped than tory MPs, at least some of whom (and it only takes a few) will absolutely block it.

 

[cupid_stunt]

Can't we please just revoke and cancel this utter farce?

And, you think that would solve things?

 

[Badgers]

Jean-Claude Juncker seems a bit vexed

Brexit will be delayed beyond October 31 as Tories focus on ousting May, says Juncker

He told CNN: "What I don't like in the British debate is it seems more important to replace the prime minister than to find an agreement among themselves.

 

[Badgers]

Is this correct?

 

[MrCurry]

Knowing Boris, yes it probably fits his MO. Talk bollocks then let other people sort out the details.

 

[Kaka Tim]

May resigning doesn't solve anything. If parliament blocks 'no deal', which surely it would with various former govt payroll tories like Rudd free to vote against it, what do they then do? All very nice for the likes of Johnson to bluster around, but he'll have to come up with a solution here that isn't 'no deal', just like May had to. Tory membership may want it and vote for someone who wants it, but they're a small number of very warped individuals, even more warped than tory MPs, at least some of whom (and it only takes a few) will absolutely block it.

Parliament cant necessarily block no-deal as its the default position. But there is the possibility that enough tories rebel for the government lose a Confidence vote in order to prevent it happening - and forcing a general election.
Be interesting to see if Johnson (or whoever) really is going to try and push for crashing out on oct 31. I seriously doubt it - and i doubt their own government would allow it - My money is on him blustering through with some guff about trying to put pressure on europe - "off course I was bluffing - but its worked because ... bullshit bullshit".
Could be the shortest political honeymoon ever.

 

[xenon]

May resigning doesn't solve anything. If parliament blocks 'no deal', which surely it would with various former govt payroll tories like Rudd free to vote against it, what do they then do? All very nice for the likes of Johnson to bluster around, but he'll have to come up with a solution here that isn't 'no deal', just like May had to. Tory membership may want it and vote for someone who wants it, but they're a small number of very warped individuals, even more warped than tory MPs, at least some of whom (and it only takes a few) will absolutely block it.

What if a Johnson lead govt simply doesn't ask parliament and lets the clock run down?

 

[Pickman's model]

What if a Johnson lead govt simply doesn't ask parliament and lets the clock run down?

I suspect his era as leader might be truncated

 

[Pickman's model]

Parliament cant necessarily block no-deal as its the default position. But there is the possibility that enough tories rebel for the government lose a Confidence vote in order to prevent it happening - and forcing a general election.
Be interesting to see if Johnson (or whoever) really is going to try and push for crashing out on oct 31. I seriously doubt it - and i doubt their own government would allow it - My money is on him blustering through with some guff about trying to put pressure on europe - "off course I was bluffing - but its worked because ... bullshit bullshit".
Could be the shortest political honeymoon ever.

It will be a negative honeymoon as it is already over

 

[Puddy_Tat]

What if a Johnson lead govt simply doesn't ask parliament and lets the clock run down?

wasn't one of the parliamentary votes where they voted no to everything a month or two back, to rule out 'no deal'?

or was this something that didn't actually get in to law?

 

[Jeremiah18.17]

What about if the Boris-Bannon-Farage plan is for Boris to push for No Deal, the govt falls and an election is called and then Boris and the Tory-Right populists do a Deal with the Brexit Party and run on a”single issue” platform with the whole financial, technical and manipulative powers of the Putinist oligarchs and Bannon’s army of the night focused on Britain? We could be heading for one hell of a battle.

 

[xenon]

wasn't one of the parliamentary votes where they voted no to everything a month or two back, to rule out 'no deal'?

or was this something that didn't actually get in to law?

The Yvette Cooper thing? AFAICT that only applied to the May deadline. I don't think it amended the underlying EU withdrawel legislation.

 

[xenon]

I suspect his era as leader might be truncated

In and definistrated by Christmas would be nice...

 

[Pickman's model]

In and definistrated by Christmas would be nice...

The working deadline is michaelmas