Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[teuchter]

Seems to me that the only reason any party would want to do well at the EU elections is as a proxy-referendum vote for remain or leave, where the party had a clear position on that question.

So if Labour were clearly for remain, then they'd want to do well in the Euro elections. They aren't though, so what would be in it for them, to do well?

 

[danny la rouge]

so what would be in it for them, to do well?

“The first national test of the state of the parties since the general election”.

I see where you’re coming from on the proxy referendum notion, but I think it’s a faulty premise: I think it’ll be seen as other things too. Like, who looks like a party of government at this time.

 

[teuchter]

“The first national test of the state of the parties since the general election”.

I see where you’re coming from on the proxy referendum notion, but I think it’s a faulty premise: I think it’ll be seen as other things too. Like, who looks like a party of government at this time.

Well, I guess that some people will see it as that, and/or some people will think that people will see it as that, but to me it doesn't make sense to see it as an indication of who looks like a party of government at the moment because so many people who vote in it will be registering a vote one way or the other on the leave/remain argument, and not based on who they would choose as a party of government.

 

[danny la rouge]

Well, I guess that some people will see it as that, and/or some people will think that people will see it as that, but to me it doesn't make sense to see it as an indication of who looks like a party of government at the moment because so many people who vote in it will be registering a vote one way or the other on the leave/remain argument, and not based on who they would choose as a party of government.

Of course. Just as local government elections are elections on who should run local governments. It doesn’t stop the media from using it, seeing it, reporting on it, as a comment on the Westminster government or opposition, not matter how ill suited those results are for that purpose.

 

[teuchter]

If Labour simply fields no candidates then the media can't draw any conclusions

 

[danny la rouge]

If Labour simply fields no candidates then the media can't draw any conclusions

Do you think that’s likely?

 

[teuchter]

Do you think that’s likely?

No

 

[gentlegreen]

I see my planned Labour vote partly as an encouragement to Corbyn. What is his current relationship with left MEPs ?

 

[killer b]

Are there likely to be any left MEPs? the current lot were elected on a party list system under Miliband, there's unlikely to be any proper leftwingers among them (whoever they are)

 

[Supine]

If Labour simply fields no candidates then the media can't draw any conclusions

Oh they would

 

[chilango]

Any lefties actually standing? Heard a rumour Class War were standing in London...

 

[danny la rouge]

I see my planned Labour vote partly as an encouragement to Corbyn. What is his current relationship with left MEPs ?

What left MEPs?

 

[Wilf]

Of course. Just as local government elections are elections on who should run local governments. It doesn’t stop the media from using it, seeing it, reporting on it, as a comment on the Westminster government or opposition, not matter how ill suited those results are for that purpose.

I think turnout will be interesting. Higher than the normal euros, but lower than the referendum I'd have thought. If the new Farage lot win it on a high turnout, it still doesn't indicate they will become a force in UK politics, but it probably nudges May or her successor into a slightly harder Brexit stance. Their ability to achieve that or indeed any brexit outcome will remain as mired as it was.

 

[gentlegreen]

What left MEPs?

Find your MEPs

GUE/NGL

 

[Wilf]

Find your MEPs

How many of these are 'left MEPs'?

 

[gentlegreen]

How many of these are 'left MEPs'?

No true Scotsmen ?

 

[Wilf]

No true Scotsmen ?

?

 

[gentlegreen]

?

LMGTFY

No true Scotsman - Wikipedia

 

[Wilf]

No true Scotsmen ?

I'm not sure what you mean by that, but just to clarify, before you edited in the facebook link you had a link to the general list of Labour MEPs. Which/how many of these are 'left' was my question.

 

[Wilf]

LMGTFY

No true Scotsman - Wikipedia

I know what it means, I just didn't know what you meant by it. Answering the q as to who the left MEPs are by simply linking to the full list of British Labour MEPs seemed odd.

 

[gentlegreen]

Oh I see you were being "funny" ? - well LOL

 

[chilango]

So, is gentlegreen asking what Corbyn's relationships with the various Euro Lefts is?

 

[gentlegreen]

So, is gentlegreen asking what Corbyn's relationships with the various Euro Lefts is?

Yes - and some of them are in the UK and align themselves with Labour.

I know it looks pitiful, but things won't get better if people don't try.

Does Urban recommend I don't vote Labour at the Euros ?
(and encourage others to do so ?)

 

[Wilf]

Oh I see you were being "funny" ? - well LOL

Nope. You referred to left MEPs and then posted a link to the full list of British Labour MEPs. As the majority of them are clearly not 'left' in any normal usage of the word, I wondered what you meant by the link.

 

[gentlegreen]

Nope. You referred to left MEPs and then posted a link to the full list of British Labour MEPs. As the majority of them are clearly not 'left' in any normal usage of the word, I wondered what you meant by the link.

So I was correct with the logical fallacy I used.

 

[Wilf]

Does Urban recommend I don't vote Labour at the Euros ?
(and encourage others to do so ?)

Hang on, I'll check. HELLO, EVERYBODY, WHAT DO YOU THINK?

 

[gentlegreen]

*unsubscribes again*

 

[Wilf]

So I was correct with the logical fallacy I used.

Actually, I think I may have to duck out of this. My sock drawer needs tidying.

 

[SpackleFrog]

It would still be a terrible tactic but it would surely bring them a decent level of success at the EU elections.

To what end then?

 

[danny la rouge]

So I was correct with the logical fallacy I used.

My question wasn’t “can you supply links to lists of MEPs?”. I can use search engines. What I wondered was which MEPs you thought of as “left”, whether any were British MEPs, and so on. Literally, what left MEPs are you referring to?

I don’t have an exhaustive knowledge of MEPs in the UK, but off-hand I can’t think of any who are thought of as “left wingers”. Certainly none of the Scottish MEPs are referred to as “left wingers”.