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Is Brexit actually going to happen?
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redsquirrel
This Machine Kills Progressives
Just watched that video - the points Bradley make are perfectly reasonable. You may not agree with them but they aren't inconsistent or contradictory.
Flavour
hang the bankers
The naked exposure of the impotence of the liberal media (Guardian, Channel 4, all the others) in the face of mass disillusionment is not quite as astonishing and satisfying as the deepening fissures which Brexit is opening up within both the Conservative and Labour parties, but it's running a close third.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
The government response to the petition was as follows. Leaving aside whether or not you are disappointed by the response, tell us if you will whether it is correct, and if not, how.
« It remains the Government’s firm policy not to revoke Article 50. We will honour the outcome of the 2016 referendum and work to deliver an exit which benefits everyone, whether they voted to Leave or to Remain.
Revoking Article 50, and thereby remaining in the European Union, would undermine both our democracy and the trust that millions of voters have placed in Government.
The Government acknowledges the considerable number of people who have signed this petition. However, close to three quarters of the electorate took part in the 2016 referendum, trusting that the result would be respected. This Government wrote to every household prior to the referendum, promising that the outcome of the referendum would be implemented. 17.4 million people then voted to leave the European Union, providing the biggest democratic mandate for any course of action ever directed at UK Government.
British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 General Election where over 80% of those who voted, voted for parties, including the Opposition, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result of the referendum.
This Government stands by this commitment.
Revoking Article 50 would break the promises made by Government to the British people, disrespect the clear instruction from a democratic vote, and in turn, reduce confidence in our democracy. As the Prime Minister has said, failing to deliver Brexit would cause “potentially irreparable damage to public trust”, and it is imperative that people can trust their Government to respect their votes and deliver the best outcome for them.
Department for Exiting the European Union. »
gosub
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Such a shame the government did nt bother sticking to the options as outlined in their letter to every household
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
I think that bit is incorrect but Tories. The rest of it is perfectly reasonable.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
I don’t remember it. What did it say?
danny la rouge
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While of course I’m aware of those alternatives, I have no recollection of receiving such a letter from the government. This was issued to all households during the referendum campaign, you say?
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
All households on the electoral register. I chucked mine straight in recycling and didn't read it.
gosub
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Yep £10million of tax payers money was spent on the Pro Remain 16 page booklet... It is estimated to have added 3% to Remain's vote tally.... Rarely gets talked about coz Remain lost., would be a bit like banging on about Hilary Clinton's campaign
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£10m on that, millions on the pizza-ferry people... someone's coining it in and it's not me
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Ah, the 16-page booklet! I do remember that. I binned it without reading it.
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in the recycling, i hope
danny la rouge
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It’s impossible not to recycle here.
SpackleFrog
Smash showy bell-bottom pants and sporty haircuts
Impossible not to recycle and impossible to leave the EU. As things should be.
teuchter
je suis teuchter
What would that have looked like? Nothing in the leaflet outlines how the negotiations would be approached. It just gives some examples of deals that other countries have, points out that they were not easily come by and does not say that we would necessarily be able to achieve something similar.
The main thing that seems to have been missed out in the leaflet is the implication of changes to the border between the UK and Ireland.
collectordave
Active Member
No pre referendum booklet received in y household.
collectordave
Active Member
I am not singling out the brexit referendum. It just appears to be what people are talking about at the moment.
The government response to the brexit petition (nearly 6,000,000 now ) above singles out the 2017 general election.
What it says is almost completly true except that it was just over 82% of those who voted voted for parties etc.
However statistics are quoted so things can be stated in a different way.
British people cast their votes once again in the 2017 General Election where even when given no other option only just over half the British electorate voted for parties, including the Opposition, who committed in their manifestos to upholding the result of the referendum.
danny la rouge
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OK, the point about the GE I accept: there were no other options. But what are you arguing? That because in every election some people don’t vote (often including me), and some people vote for the losing proposition, that elections should be discounted? You need to state your thesis more clearly.
danny la rouge
More like *fanny* la rouge!
Meaning?
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When will you realise that just because something is in a manifesto it does not follow it will be acted on?
It’s more of, a manifest? Oh!
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You've reminded me of auld Emmanuel (manny) festo who played the tambourine for ruddy yurts until that awful night at the roundhouse
I think that Brexit highlights the need for a radical overhaul of Government. Not only the ruling system but also our ability to cast meaningful votes. I was not qualified to make the decision on Brexit. politicians have proved that they are not capable of planning, or keeping to their promises and we follow like bleating sheep. Unfortunately democracy means, ' We have sewn the system up so that when you kick us out we just lounge on the opposite side leather seats waiting for our next turn.' As for the House of Lords, well anyone visiting Earth from outer space would would be speechless.
Mr Moose
What the hell are we supposed to tell the kids?
History suggests it’s a strong indicator that it won’t be and the opposite will.
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Yeh right. History suggests. Does it really? I think not.
Flavour
hang the bankers
Is that a nice way of saying that everyone who voted Leave wouldn't have done so if they'd had "better information"?
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