Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[SpackleFrog]

If my local council were Corbyn-esque I'd vote for them. But Lambeth are a bunch of entrepreneur-worshipping Blairite shitehawks.

I'm sure they are, don't think I'll vote for Sheffield Labour either, even the ones who claim to be Corbyn-supporting Socialists are pretty weak. But the Blairites will be on the People's Vote march (unless they think it will cost them their seats) and this Lara McNeill person isn't; if you have criticisms fine but it seems like your criticism is that she's not on the march and not supporting a second referendum.

 

[Pickman's model]

945 signatures/minute now.

9 days 12 hours

 

[SpackleFrog]

4.4 million signatures and over a million on the march...

Are there over a million? Could well be but I haven't seen that figure anywhere else.

 

[editor]

..... but it seems like your criticism is that she's not on the march and not supporting a second referendum.

Where on earth have you got that from? I have said nothing that even remotely aligns with your spin. Jeez.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Where on earth have you got that from? I have said nothing that even remotely aligns with your spin. Jeez.

I thought that's what you meant by this:

Or you could possibly read my words are being desirous of presenting the public with actual, thought-through plans for Brexit and then putting those to a public vote as they absolutely should have the final say in what's being proposed.

"Jeez."

 

[editor]

Are there over a million? Could well be but I haven't seen that figure anywhere else.

Hard to get accurate figures but it is fucking huge by any measure -
Hundreds of thousands join Brexit protest

No doubt the police will say it was 10,000 and Farage will insist it was 10 people.

 

[editor]

I thought that's what you meant by this:



"Jeez."

Where did I mention her not being on the march? Why are you making up stuff?

 

[SpackleFrog]

Where did I mention her not being on the march? Why are you making up stuff?

I'm not trying to pick a fight here - tell me if I've misunderstood. You weren't impressed by her article and assessed it as simply saying "Vote Labour". You were asked what you would advocate and you said you want thought through plans for Brexit followed by another referendum.

In which - correct me if I'm wrong - you would want Remain on the ballot paper and you would vote Remain. Right?

E2A: So what I mean is, you want a 2nd ref/People's Vote/Whatever we're calling it and I assumed that's why you didn't like her article.

 

[editor]

I'm not trying to pick a fight here - tell me if I've misunderstood. You weren't impressed by her article and assessed it as simply saying "Vote Labour". You were asked what you would advocate and you said you want thought through plans for Brexit followed by another referendum.

In which - correct me if I'm wrong - you would want Remain on the ballot paper and you would vote Remain. Right?

E2A: So what I mean is, you want a 2nd ref/People's Vote/Whatever we're calling it and I assumed that's why you didn't like her article.

The point was that topcat flagged it up as some sort of amazing insight when all it appeared to say was "vote Labour" and that was it. No new insights, no new message, just party propaganda. And that was what I was commenting on. I couldn't give a shit if the writer went to the march naked on the back of a pink unicorn or not.

 

[TopCat]

Anything but this Tory-driven, Tory-decided, last-minute desperate shambles.

But you posted up that link - what are her solutions that you agree "100%" with?

Vote Labour.

 

[editor]

Vote Labour.

Like those amazing libraries-closing, children's centres-closing, estate-demolishing, entrepreneur-worshipping nu-Labour cats in Lambeth? Yeah!

 

[TopCat]

Like those amazing libraries-closing, children's centres-closing, estate-demolishing, entrepreneur-worshipping nu-Labour cats in Lambeth? Yeah!

You don't offer much.

 

[TopCat]

You won't fight for change and don't want to vote for change either. Go moan to the Guardian. That will help.

 

[SpackleFrog]

The point was that topcat flagged it up as some sort of amazing insight when all it appeared to say was "vote Labour" and that was it. No new insights, no new message, just party propaganda. And that was what I was commenting on. I couldn't give a shit if the writer went to the march naked on the back of a pink unicorn or not.

Fair enough, in that case I apologise. I think you're being harsh though - unlike the Blairites who will say 'Cancel Brexit now, Vote Labour later' she's saying 'Vote Labour and Build Socialism.'

It's not exactly ground breaking but there's a difference - I totally understand why you wouldn't vote Labour in Lewisham but there are some Labour representatives I would vote for.

 

[TopCat]

Anything but this Tory-driven, Tory-decided, last-minute desperate shambles.

But you posted up that link - what are her solutions that you agree "100%" with?

Maybe you want a STRONG solution.

 

[editor]

Maybe you want a STRONG solution.

Strong. And firm. And juicy too.

 

[editor]

Nearly 4.5m signatures now. Biggest petition in British history and quite possibly the biggest march. And 30 fuckwits on Farage's folly.

 

[TopCat]

Nearly 4.5m signatures now. Biggest petition in British history and quite possibly the biggest march. And 30 fuckwits on Farage's folly.

17 million voted LEAVE.

 

[SpookyFrank]

17 million voted LEAVE.

Capital letters: making facts more factual since, well, never actually.

 

[brogdale]

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[brogdale]

Lovely.

Apologies...my computer appeared to reject the image I was trying to post.

 

[editor]

17 million voted LEAVE.

They also voted for fictional pots of non-existant NHS money and a Brexit that was promoted as straightforward and profitable. WHOOPS! But if you're happy with career-promoting Tories deciding your future on a Farage-sponsored journey, enjoy the ride!

 

[SpackleFrog]

Nearly 4.5m signatures now. Biggest petition in British history and quite possibly the biggest march. And 30 fuckwits on Farage's folly.

Stop the War march the largest wasn't it? Estimates between 1 and 2 million.

 

[TopCat]

I can tolerate, just, comrades to the left of me slagging the JC led Labour Party. Despite most of them doing fuck all apart from prancing around with cheap banners.
I feel less er, sympathy with people to the right of me having a pop. Inevitably these seem to me to desire a stable Tory govt that just hated blacks and gays less.

 

[chilango]

Let's pretend for a moment that the petition and march are successful, and a "Peoples' Vote" is called.

What do those of you who are Remainers do if Leave wins that vote too?

 

[brogdale]

It was this gem from this afternoon....

 

[TopCat]

Capital letters: making facts more factual since, well, never actually.

I'm on an all inclusive holiday just outside the EU. Bit pissed and mightily pissed off.

 

[Sue]

Let's pretend for a moment that the petition and march are successful, and a "Peoples' Vote" is called.

What do those of you who are Remainers do if Leave wins that vote too?

Third time lucky..?

 

[brogdale]

I'm on an all inclusive holiday just outside the EU. Bit pissed and mightily pissed off.

Dover?

 

[TopCat]

They also voted for fictional pots of non-existant NHS money and a Brexit that was promoted as straightforward and profitable. WHOOPS! But if you're happy with career-promoting Tories deciding your future on a Farage-sponsored journey, enjoy the ride!

I voted out for Socialist reasons.