Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[chilango]

Third time lucky..?

MV3 PV3

 

[TopCat]

Dover?

Ben Dover boy

 

[TopCat]

Third time lucky..?

Limit voting to those who own property. Include those for sure who did right to buy but disenfranchise all others.

 

[philosophical]

Let's pretend for a moment that the petition and march are successful, and a "Peoples' Vote" is called.

What do those of you who are Remainers do if Leave wins that vote too?

Ask the winners how they will manage the land border on the island of Ireland between the UK system and the EU system.

 

[SpackleFrog]

They also voted for fictional pots of non-existant NHS money and a Brexit that was promoted as straightforward and profitable. WHOOPS! But if you're happy with career-promoting Tories deciding your future on a Farage-sponsored journey, enjoy the ride!

Yeah you're just spouting off now. This is exactly the same as me saying you voted Remain to avoid disruption of foie gras imports and continue the starvation of Greek children.

 

[TopCat]

Stop the War march the largest wasn't it? Estimates between 1 and 2 million.

Blair called it a million of the wrong. I have been thinking about this all day.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Let's pretend for a moment that the petition and march are successful, and a "Peoples' Vote" is called.

What do those of you who are Remainers do if Leave wins that vote too?

I know this isn't aimed at me but can't resist; they won't allow No Deal on the ballot, since it could feasibly win, so would be May's deal. And I won't vote for May's deal or Remain.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Ask the winners how they will manage the land border on the island of Ireland between the UK system and the EU system.

A voluntary Socialist federation of England, Scotland, Wales, Northern and Southern Ireland, as part of a voluntary federation of Socialist European states.

 

[TopCat]

Ask the winners how they will manage the land border on the island of Ireland between the UK system and the EU system.

United Ireland. I would be very happy and this shit shows makes it more likely.

 

[TopCat]

It was this gem from this afternoon....

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An opportunist nationalist and a huge shit.

 

[brogdale]

I know this isn't aimed at me but can't resist; they won't allow No Deal on the ballot, since it could feasibly win, so would be May's deal. And I won't vote for May's deal or Remain.

Why would you vote anyway? You think that supra-state membership changes anything fundamentally?

 

[gosub]

An opportunist nationalist and a huge shit.

At least you say the march isn't the "usual suspects" You would n't have seen Alistar Campbell at the stop the war march. Well maybe in effigy form

 

[SpackleFrog]

Why would you vote anyway? You think that supra-state membership changes anything fundamentally?

I voted to Leave in the last referendum. In the main to bring down Cameron, without any expectation we would leave, but also out of a desire to express opposition to the supra-state.

 

[editor]

United Ireland. I would be very happy and this shit shows makes it more likely.

I'm sure Northern Ireland and the wonderful DUP people would warmly embrace such an offering. Guaranteed to be peaceful with cream buns all round.

 

[TopCat]

At least you say the march isn't the "usual suspects" You would n't have seen Alistar Campbell at the stop the war march. Well maybe in effigy form

I choose my words.

 

[TopCat]

I'm sure Northern Ireland and the wonderful DUP people would warmly embrace such an offering. Guaranteed to be peaceful with cream buns all round.

North and South voted remain. The Unionist rich are already realising they have more in common with the Republican South than us Brits. This is reconciliation at work.
Money talks.

 

[gosub]

Why would you vote anyway? You think that supra-state membership changes anything fundamentally?

Completely. This whole Wizard of Oz journey has shown up the inadaquacies of what was lurking behind the curtain.

 

[editor]

I voted out for Socialist reasons.

If socialism is the fucking laughable chaos and calamity dreamt up and pushed forward by the Tories, I think I need to change my politics.

 

[editor]

Smug

Fact.

 

[editor]

A voluntary Socialist federation of England, Scotland, Wales, Northern and Southern Ireland, as part of a voluntary federation of Socialist European states.

I'm all for that but it ain't going to happen.

 

[brogdale]

I voted to Leave in the last referendum. In the main to bring down Cameron, without any expectation we would leave, but also out of a desire to express opposition to the supra-state.

Big state; smaller state...still the state, eh?

 

[editor]

Just putting this here: Hate crime surge linked to Brexit and 2017 terrorist attacks


Fucking Cameron. Fucking Tories. Fucking racists cunts.

 

[SpackleFrog]

I'm all for that but it ain't going to happen.

Isn't that the same logic that reduces people to saying 'vote labour'? Because that's the best we can hope for?

 

[editor]

Isn't that the same logic that reduces people to saying 'vote labour'? Because that's the best we can hope for?

No, it's not.

 

[SpackleFrog]

If socialism is the fucking laughable chaos and calamity dreamt up and pushed forward by the Tories, I think I need to change my politics.

Exploiting and exacerbating divisions within the ruling class is a fairly old school Socialist tactic.

 

[SpackleFrog]

Big state; smaller state...still the state, eh?

Sure, that's why I oppose both.

 

[TopCat]

At least you say the march isn't the "usual suspects" You would n't have seen Alistar Campbell at the stop the war march. Well maybe in effigy form

The march today can't neatly be boxed. We need less polarisation to avoid going Balkans.

 

[editor]

Exploiting and exacerbating divisions within the ruling class is a fairly old school Socialist tactic.

And you think that's what's happening here? The ruling classes seem to be sitting rather pretty in all this.

 

[brogdale]

Sure, that's why I oppose both.

I regard those with firm views (either way) like religious zealots (manic street preachers).

 

[Wookey]

I voted out for Socialist reasons.

I admire your blind and ill-informed optimism, bit like a toddler. It's cute.

But what a fuckwit. You handed the Tory Party their Brexit to gnaw over and bring the average working man, whom you claim to give a shit about, to the brink of joblessness, homelessness and foodlessness. I do hope you're proud of your socialist manoeuvre, you dunce.