Is Brexit actually going to happen?

[zahir]

The Public Accounts Committee report referred to here may be worth looking at.

Brexit: EU citizens risk suffering same fate as Windrush generation

Millions of EU nationals living in the UK could suffer the same fate as the Windrush generation after Brexit, according to a damning report from MPs.

The Public Accounts Committee warned on Wednesday that the Home Office's "systemic failure" to keep accurate records could place many EU citizens at risk of being "caught out" and unable to prove their right to remain in the country after the UK leaves the EU.

"We are deeply concerned by [Home Office's] lack of action and understanding of the needs of applicants," said the cross-party group of MPs.

"As the UK prepares to exit the EU there is a risk that EU citizens will also be caught out if they do not have the required documents."

 

[danny la rouge]

DexterTCN I’ve watched the video now. It was very short. You could easily have explained what was in it. My response is: I share the concerns about US chicken husbandry and knock off whisky.

 

[Ranbay]

 

[Poot]

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I still can't help thinking that we're going to have to buy a whole new Brexit advent calendar with many, many more little doors on it, much as I'd like the whole shitstorm to be over.

 

[Pickman's model]

I still can't help thinking that we're going to have to buy a whole new Brexit advent calendar with many, many more little doors on it, much as I'd like the whole shitstorm to be over.

The kiss she gave will never ever fade away

 

[danny la rouge]

Come on DexterTCN, I’ve engaged with that video clip far more than you have. I initially had to find out from other posters what was in it, but you’ve had my response to it since before I was even able to watch it. I’ve now watched it, and my response remained the same. But I still have no idea what your views on it are. I know you’ve been about, because I noticed your name in the visitors list.

Just a heads up though: I’m not going to be able to watch any more videos for a while. So you’re going to have to make points in your own words.

So. What are your views on the clip, why did you post it, what point did you hope to raise, and how do you see that contributing to the discussion? (You can bring in the previous clip that you posted without comment and left unexplained too, if you wish).

If you don’t want to give your own views, you could always ask questions.

 

[ska invita]

The Public Accounts Committee report referred to here may be worth looking at.

Brexit: EU citizens risk suffering same fate as Windrush generation

Well exactly... The room for deportation by the papercuts of beaurocracy is enormous.

Any Brexit that doesn't bin the settled status process can fuck off and die. It's indefensible. I was hoping Norway plus would do that (and it's increasingly back on the table going by the headlines), but I don't trust Corbyn on this either. Kicking out foreigners seems to be the key part of Labours brexit vision, union with the EU on everything but kick out at anyone without British citizenship.

 

[philosophical]

Repetition, I spoiled my vote. I have issues with some remainers philosophy I have problems with some leavers philosophy. I don’t think anyone on this thread has a chance to influence the outcome directly. So take your myopic border questions to the people that can. You as well, must surely be bored with your line on this thread by now.

The way you can no platform me on this site is put me on ignore. I am sure others here do.
If it is because my repetition on this subject is boring to you, save yourself the angst.
Repetition seems to be a regular occurrence on this site, but to me a thread that asks if brexit will happen is the place to continually focus on the land border that joins the UK to the EU as it's existence seems to be central to the concept of leaving, leave being one of the only four words on the winning side of the ballot paper.
All the other discussion is a variation on the central word 'leave' isn't it?

 

[danny la rouge]

All the other discussion is a variation on the central word 'leave' isn't it?

Well, that’s not surprising since that was the result of the referendum, and that the two main Westminster parties have said they’ll respect that result. Although Labour’s plans are somewhat muddy, and three weeks out it’s still hard to tell what May’s government will be able to deliver.

 

[Pickman's model]

Well, that’s not surprising since that was the result of the referendum, and that the two main Westminster parties have said they’ll respect that result. Although Labour’s plans are somewhat muddy, and three weeks out it’s still hard to tell what May’s government will be able to deliver.

this respect the result will i submit soon be seen to be of the 'with all due respect' variety

 

[Pickman's model]

The way you can no platform me on this site is out me on ignore.

that's not denying you a platform, it's ignoring you. an entirely different thing.

 

[DexterTCN]

Come on DexterTCN, I’ve engaged with that video clip far more than you have. I initially had to find out from other posters what was in it, but you’ve had my response to it since before I was even able to watch it. I’ve now watched it, and my response remained the same. But I still have no idea what your views on it are. I know you’ve been about, because I noticed your name in the visitors list.

Just a heads up though: I’m not going to be able to watch any more videos for a while. So you’re going to have to make points in your own words.

So. What are your views on the clip, why did you post it, what point did you hope to raise, and how do you see that contributing to the discussion? (You can bring in the previous clip that you posted without comment and left unexplained too, if you wish).

If you don’t want to give your own views, you could always ask questions.

I'm at work you moron, it's busy just now.

 

[danny la rouge]

this respect the result will i submit soon be seen to be of the 'with all due respect' variety

Others seem to agree. It’s not something I feel able to call. All we can do is speculate, and I’m happy to hear and assess the various speculations.

 

[Libertad]

I'm at work you moron, it's busy just now.

Not that busy then.

 

[Pickman's model]

I'm at work you moron, it's busy just now.

so you say.

 

[danny la rouge]

I'm at work you moron, it's busy just now.

That’s also why I can’t watch videos during the day, and it’s mainly why I think it’s polite to say a few words about what’s in a link and why you’re posting it.

Take your time, there’s no rush.

 

[Pickman's model]

That’s also why I can’t watch videos during the day, and it’s mainly why I think it’s polite to say a few words about what’s in a link and why you’re posting it.

Take your time, there’s no rush.

it'll hopefully give auld dexter time to cobble a sentence or two together

 

[teuchter]

I tend to find that the more work I have to do, the more I find myself inclined to spend on urban75.

 

[philosophical]

that's not denying you a platform, it's ignoring you. an entirely different thing.

I did not use the word 'deny'. It is an entirely different word to 'no'.
Mind you, if you were to put me on ignore I would welcome it. You and I don't have any common ground, and I don't share your desire to personalize things and act all high and mighty with others.
I will personalize (like I am right now with you) in reaction to snide comments from others, but I don't initiate.
Please put me on ignore so I can have a break from you contaminating my visits here.

 

[Pickman's model]

I did not use the word 'deny'. It is an entirely different word to 'no'.
Mind you, if you were to put me on ignore I would welcome it. You and I don't have any common ground, and I don't share your desire to personalize things and act all high and mighty with others.
I will personalize (like I am right now with you) in reaction to snide comments from others, but I don't initiate.
Please put me on ignore so I can have a break from you contaminating my visits here.

i know you didn't use the word 'deny'. to no platform someone is to deny them a platform. if you don't understand that then there's scant hope for you. but given your posting history and your mischaracterisation of people throughout your sojourn here (and sojourn's another word you haven't used, btw) i've never really expected much from you. i expect we have many things we agree on. only you never talk about anything else other than your hobby horse - you've only submitted 56 posts which aren't on this thread. i'm not putting you on ignore.

 

[philosophical]

Only!
Are there rules regarding numbers of posts then, and on which topics?
'Scant hope'?
Hope for what? That I become the person you wish me to be rather than the person I am?

 

[Pickman's model]

Only!
Are there rules regarding numbers of posts then, and on which topics?

if you want to find common ground then you should try posting on threads which aren't solely to do with brexit.

'Scant hope'?
Hope for what? That I become the person you wish me to be rather than the person I am?

if you were the person i wished you to be then you'd never have reached this nadir in your posting. there is scant hope for you to understand what is said to you if you don't understand that when someone is no platformed they are denied a platform.

 

[philosophical]

I understand lots of things, and don't understand a lot more.
However if I seek clarification about anything it won't be from you.

 

[redsquirrel]

Horrible but revealing piece by the former "socialist" French PM

Since Adam Smith and the birth of modern economics, we have learned that barriers are harmful to society. They have a negative impact on companies, deterring competition and limiting us all. The rationale is quite clear: companies, as well as people, need to breath and thrive in larger economic and legal systems where harmonisation and sharing is required.

After half a century of successful globalisation – measured from any parameter – these counter-movements are pushing for an agenda of separation and nationalism.

The European Union and Spain, particularly, represent successful stories of coexistence, involvement and synergies. Any political decision based on exclusion, lack of solidarity or a false sense of self-governance will only create economic depression and barriers for its citizens. ... That is what I would hope to do as mayor of Barcelona, by building co-operation between the public and private sector, by welcoming entrepreneurs and companies from all over the world to make our great city their home.

This is why economic arguments should be rejected.

 

[xenon]

The way you can no platform me on this site is put me on ignore. I am sure others here do.
If it is because my repetition on this subject is boring to you, save yourself the angst.
Repetition seems to be a regular occurrence on this site, but to me a thread that asks if brexit will happen is the place to continually focus on the land border that joins the UK to the EU as it's existence seems to be central to the concept of leaving, leave being one of the only four words on the winning side of the ballot paper.
All the other discussion is a variation on the central word 'leave' isn't it?

You've had several answers to your questions already, you just don't like any of them.

 

[CRI]

 

[teuchter]

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His stance seems an appropriate reaction to the punctuationless disaster that is the tweet you have reposted.

 

[teuchter]

However if I seek clarification about anything it won't be from you.

Good decision

 

[Pickman's model]

However if I seek clarification about anything it won't be from you.

that's fortunate being as you don't understand even the simplest of explanations.

 

[danny la rouge]

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“Look at this picture of the Attourney General leaving Downing Street this morning. I think the tweet is apposite. I’d be face palming too, in his position”.

See, not hard, is it?